Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by southernelle25

Going strictly by the numbers, Obama should win the nomination, regardless of what happens in Michigan and Florida.

Its been said before, but Clinton’s “kitchen sink” strategy was too little too late and now her only hope for victory rests with the "super" delegates. However, if the nomination is “stolen”, many of Obama's supporters will simply stay home. A few, such as myself, will switch parties altogether. Those shady Clintons need to recognize, they can’t win a general election on the votes of old people and women alone. Obama is the rightful nominee, she should humbly request a vice presidential spot and find somewhere to sit down.

REALLY?! So the issues don't matter? If Clinton ends up being the nominee (fair or unfair), since she and Obama's plans regarding the issues are close, wouldn't it make more sense to vote for her as opposed to McCain? There's too much at stake here to stay home or vote for one candidate to spite or prove something to the other.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

REALLY?! So the issues don't matter? If Clinton ends up being the nominee (fair or unfair), since she and Obama's plans regarding the issues are close, wouldn't it make more sense to vote for her as opposed to McCain? There's too much at stake here to stay home or vote for one candidate to spite or prove something to the other.

Eh unless you don't think either McCain or Clinton will really destroy the country in the next four years and you can't stand Clinton. Crossing over or voting third party is good when it makes a point. If Clinton "steals" the nomination via superdelegates, people who choose not to vote for her will be sending the Democratic party a message. That message would be half - don't overrule the will of the people and half- we love Obama/hate Clinton.

I don't have the respect for McCain that I once did, but he's not Bush and his presidency wouldn't be as bad. I'm honestly not sure Hillary's would be better.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Eh unless you don't think either McCain or Clinton will really destroy the country in the next four years and you can't stand Clinton. Crossing over or voting third party is good when it makes a point. If Clinton "steals" the nomination via superdelegates, people who choose not to vote for her will be sending the Democratic party a message. That message would be half - don't overrule the will of the people and half- we love Obama/hate Clinton.

I don't have the respect for McCain that I once did, but he's not Bush and his presidency wouldn't be as bad. I'm honestly not sure Hillary's would be better.

Ditto, because at thaat point I would question even more the ability of the Dems to really be democratic in the running of the country. And RoyalTemptest, remember a president can have all the ideas they want--but they make no dicisions in a vacuum. The country is really run by the people with whom they surround themselves. I would really be concerned about Hilary's circle.

Ironically, that was my initially mt biggest issue with Obama--did he have the experience to surround himself with the right folx. Now after seeing how Hilary's campaign is being run, I am more concerned about that with her.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by southernelle25

Going strictly by the numbers, Obama should win the nomination, regardless of what happens in Michigan and Florida.

Funny thing is that even though Clinton is ahead in terms of committed Superdelegates, it is striking to note that Obama has the edge in those who have been elected by their constituencies (governors, congressman, representatives) and trails significantly by those whose loyalty is only to the party (DNC, distinguished party leaders). More than one third of total Superdelegates remain uncommitted. http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/


Of course, he has increased his lead by picking up more delegates in Iowa and California including some of Edwards' delegates. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...e_n_91719.html

[southernelle25]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Funny thing is that even though Clinton is ahead in terms of committed Superdelegates, it is striking to note that Obama has the edge in those who have been elected by their constituencies (governors, congressman, representatives) and trails significantly by those whose loyalty is only to the party (DNC, distinguished party leaders). More than one third of total Superdelegates remain uncommitted. http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/


Of course, he has increased his lead by picking up more delegates in Iowa and California including some of Edwards' delegates. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...e_n_91719.html

Thanks for that info, I definately had not noticed.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

REALLY?! So the issues don't matter? If Clinton ends up being the nominee (fair or unfair), since she and Obama's plans regarding the issues are close, wouldn't it make more sense to vote for her as opposed to McCain? There's too much at stake here to stay home or vote for one candidate to spite or prove something to the other.

I am actually quite conservative, more independent than Democratic, I guess I represent the ‘right wing’ of the Democratic Party, so there are a number of issues I don’t support that they do. I stay because our party is the most idealistic and optimistic, and with all its problems remains on the forefront of positive change. That is why, in this race, it is not about issues for me as much as it is about integrity, integrity of a party I’ve always belonged to. If Clinton is willing to act in such a selfish, dirty and derisive manner to win against this candidate, then she deserves to lose. I may be wrong, but I’m willing to throw the “new black” out with the bathwater.

[mccoyred]

The latest evidence of Fox News' lack of credibility http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3...728/841/480210

[SummerChild]

Some of the latest on the polls - http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSN26445755

Appears that Ms. Clinton's playing dirty may finally be catching up with her. Good for the American people ... for speaking out on this issue.

ETA: I am a little perplexed by the Clinton approach. On one hand, she appears to hit below the belt. Then on the other hand, now she's asking her supporters how they feel about DNC officials saying that she should drop out - like almost playing the victim role (imo). The two approaches appear to be very different.

SC

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by SummerChild

Some of the latest on the polls - http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSN26445755

Appears that Ms. Clinton's playing dirty may finally be catching up with her. Good for the American people ... for speaking out on this issue.

ETA: I am a little perplexed by the Clinton approach. On one hand, she appears to hit below the belt. Then on the other hand, now she's asking her supporters how they feel about DNC officials saying that she should drop out - like almost playing the victim role (imo). The two approaches appear to be very different.

SC

...I thought about you over the weekend when someone from the Clinton campaign (according to the news report) tried to posit the notion that Obama was calling himself a professor in the law school in which he taught, when he might have only been an adjunct or visiting, or some such other terminology.

The law school subsequently came out and said that, indeed, Obama was a professor

I thought 'oh dayum, SC is going to feel 'some kinda way' when she hears/reads about this.'

[SummerChild]

Wow. I wish that the Clinton campaign people would give *me* a break ... and I'm not even running. Now there's a question as to whether or not he was really a professor at the lawschool? Why would he lie about that? What great glory comes from that?

I can see that they are clearly just trying to start an uproar b/c anyone can easily simply call the lawschool and ask. He taught at the lawschool for a number of years - while also being a full-time IL senator. He taught two classes a quarter...just like most other professors. In fact, many other professors only taught one class a quarter. I bet that all of the students who loved him and were trying to overload into his classes would think that it was very funny that the Clinton group is now positing that he wasn't actually a professor or that he was just visiting. That's an interesting idea.

When will it end? I was so excited about this election but the Clintons are just taking all of the excitement out of it. Not even McCain is playing dirty like the Clintons.

She does not do women justice in this campaign at all.

SC

Originally Posted by TonyB06

...I thought about you over the weekend when someone from the Clinton campaign (according to the news report) tried to posit the notion that Obama was calling himself a professor in the law school in which he taught, when he might have only been an adjunct or visiting, or some such other terminology.

The law school subsequently came out and said that, indeed, Obama was a professor

I thought 'oh dayum, SC is going to feel 'some kinda way' when she hears/reads about this.'

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by SummerChild

Wow. I wish that the Clinton campaign people would give *me* a break ... and I'm not even running. Now there's a question as to whether or not he was really a professor at the lawschool? Why would he lie about that? What great glory comes from that?

I can see that they are clearly just trying to start an uproar b/c anyone can easily simply call the lawschool and ask. He taught at the lawschool for a number of years - while also being a full-time IL senator. He taught two classes a quarter...just like most other professors. In fact, many other professors only taught one class a quarter. I bet that all of the students who loved him and were trying to overload into his classes would think that it was very funny that the Clinton group is now positing that he wasn't actually a professor or that he was just visiting. That's an interesting idea.

When will it end? I was so excited about this election but the Clintons are just taking all of the excitement out of it. Not even McCain is playing dirty like the Clintons.

She does not do women justice in this campaign at all.

SC

And wouldn't the students still call him Professor Obama no matter if he was visiting or not? I've even called grad student TAs professor. It's just a matter of respect.

When will the madness end?

[Little32]

^^Wow, really? Such a problem. They really think that it is that easy hunh? Get a black face on the ticket and get the African American vote, as though it is not about policy.

The Republican party sent Alan Keyes to Illinois to run for senator against Obama in 2004. They really did think that it was about Obama's race and not his policy.

[mccoyred]

There may be a compromise forthcoming on Michigan http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...t_n_99273.html but no word on Florida yet.

Despite the 'controversy', Obama is closing the gap on Superdelegates http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

[mccoyred]

Every Democrat or Democrat-leaning voter (especially Independents like myself) MUST read this!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...om_Andrew.html

[mccoyred]

Developments on MI and FL delegate seating and allocations

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10732.html
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008...y-numbers.html

Obama '08!!

[I.A.S.K.]

So now Obama needs 68 delegates (super or otherwise) to get the Nom and HillBilly needs more than 200.

Ickies (sp?) and Hillary are really getting on my nerves saying "we reserve the right to take this to the convention" what is this? Why wont they just let it go? You already lost boo! Just accept the L and move on with your life.

Obama 08'---IF YOU AINT ON SIT DOWN!