Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by midwesterngirl

There have been a few national officers on this board who have asked that the information be limited. Unfortunately their concerns weren't taken very seriously by the former mod. That has been part of the problem from the beginning. Incorrect and unneeded information was being allowed to circulate and wasn't being stopped like it should have been. From there other problems arose and were blown totally out of proportion. I personally wish the forum to be deleted all together but if it isn't going to be,there needs to be a much much tighter reign on it.

If there is a disagreement here about this, then I will step in and say BS

For your information, I worked my rear off on this thread when I was Mod and do not forget it. navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

Whether some Female GLOs do not want to publicize it, that is fine.

But it has been seen by many and of those who AIed into what ever Sororitys.

I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice.

AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future.

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes.

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

They desearve it!


Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so!

[PenguinTrax]

Tom,

Navane's original post was merged into the AI TOS announcement at the top of the forum. It wasn't deleted out of hand.

navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

Anybody else feel like this thread has taken a turn for the ugly?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Look at how long it took some very fine ladies to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Exactly.

And some of those "very fine ladies" are the ones who want the forum DELETED, GONE, VANISHED.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice. WTF! Of course she would still have a voice if she (whoever you're speaking of) hadn't AI'd. Do you see anyone in this thread saying a woman's opinion doesn't count because she had AI'd or is currently a PNAM?

AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future. AI didn't materialize from the sky in the last couple months. It's been around for an extremely long time. What's changed in recent time is that certain people have taken the position upon themselves to beat the drum and try to rally up PNAMs and blind support for AI.

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it. Sorority shopping does not automatically mean a longer time to find a home. There are countless (maybe only 99) reasons why AI takes a long time and reading 26 webpages isn't one!

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes. TRUE...so why do we need a seperate forum for them?????

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

They desearve it!


Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so! YOU need to appologize! You keep stirring the pot that you claim to be so glad to be rid of. I rarely post when I'm t'd off but you can't seem to grasp the concept that if you wish to support AI then you should be out rounding up MEN for your FRATERNITY and stay out of SORORITY affairs!

[Jen]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

If there is a disagreement here about this, then I will step in and say BS

For your information, I worked my rear off on this thread when I was Mod and do not forget it. navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

Whether some Female GLOs do not want to publicize it, that is fine.

But it has been seen by many and of those who AIed into what ever Sororitys.

I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice.

AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future.

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes.

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

They desearve it!


Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so!

AI into a sorority = not your business

[adpiucf]

Tom, please stop inserting yourself into the AI sorority cause. If you are so passionate about AI, I encourage you to seek out Lambda Chi PNAI's.

As stated, we are not against the initiation of members as alumnae sisters. We are against a Greek Chat forum promoting Alumnae Initiation. AI is not recruitment, AI is not a new niche of membership that we are seeking to fill. It's a small aspect of sorority life and usually reserved for someone with a connection to a sorority. The ones who join through these means don't need GC to service their goal.

I again request this forum be deleted as the current climate of sorority AI is not in keeping with the open promotion of AI.

AI is not the wave of the future. Collegiate membership is, and will always be, the lifeblood of our organizations so long as we are members of the NPC.

Thank you.

[UGAalum94]

Some of you who want this forum deleted seem really comfortable speaking for everyone.

Some seem to think that because they don't like the direction of some of the threads that they should be able to eliminate the possibility of posting.


Why can't the forum exist and you request that the posts the violate the wishes of your whole organization get deleted?


Why should your desires on the issue trump the wishes of other people to post, as long as they are not violating the rules of their groups?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

For your information, I worked my rear off on this thread when I was Mod and do not forget it.

Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so!

This tickled me. None of this has to be that serious unless people allow it to be.

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Why can't the forum exist and you request that the posts the violate the wishes of your whole organization get deleted?

Because moderating this forum shouldn't be a full time job and the AI membership process should not be posted on the internet.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Because moderating this forum shouldn't be a full time job and the AI membership process should not be posted on the internet.

And deleting the subforum would keep it for being posted on the internet how?



Again, you may speak for your group, but how can you speak for others?

[adpiucf]

No subforum and the deletion of AI stories. Lock threads with AI queries and give instructions to contact a sorority member IRL. It's not a hard concept.

I can speak for myself and whomever I please on the web without typing out all of my credentials. Thanks.

[midwesterngirl]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

If there is a disagreement here about this, then I will step in and say BS

For your information, I worked my rear off on this thread when I was Mod and do not forget it. navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

just a reminder to you Tom. Navane's thread was a cut and paste from another thread that was deleted. You always seem to conveniently forget that. There was a reason the original thread was deleted.

Whether some Female GLOs do not want to publicize it, that is fine.


I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice.

I am an AI and I am against it. There are many of us who are.



AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future.
You keep saying that Tom but you won't site your source for this information.Why is that? According to who is it a fact of life?

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Contrary to what you believe Tom, and this may be an unpopular sentiment, but not everyone is a good fit for alumnae life.Do you hire everyone who walks into your shop looking for a job? There are times when what you want in life may not work out .That isn't a rude sentiment,it is a fact of life. For some it is just not meant to be and that is okay. It doesn't mean they are bad or worthless people, it just means that don't fit into a particular program. They need to go find another avenue to explore.

As for taking long,not everyone does.I had a direct referance for my group although she lived quite a ways away from me and couldn't help. I did the bulk of the work myself . It took me 6 months from contact to initiation and I had to hold over until the spring. If I hadn't had to wait for the spring pledge class to initiate it would have been done in about 4.

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes. I don't know anyone who has ever implied that they are second class

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

I am an AI.

They desearve it!
yes for the most part we do


Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so!

I have no issue with PT and Carnation. I have been on this board for several years and never exchanged a word to either of them personally.If they mod in a fair and just way and know what they are talking about, why would I or anyone else give them crap?

Originally Posted by adpiucf

No subforum and the deletion of AI stories. Lock threads with AI queries and give instructions to contact a sorority member IRL. It's not a hard concept.

I can speak for myself and whomever I please on the web without typing out all of my credentials. Thanks.

If it deals with this AI subform, feel free to speak on my behalf as well.

[UGAalum94]

But if the other groups don't require the information to be withheld in such a way, aren't you infringing on other people's expression unnecessarily?

I apologize if it seemed that I was asking for your credentials. I was really questioning why you thought it was appropriate to limit others' speech in this way.


If you would like the ADPi policy to be what you described, that's one thing. I assume you know the wishes of your group. But all groups may not share your position.

(Don't you think it would take even more effort from the mods. to do what you described rather than have one forum to keep an eye on?)