Entire Duke Lacrosse Team Suspended from Play

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by ktsnake
As for DA's attitude, is it dangerous? Maybe. Most people jump to conclusions with no evidence to base those conclusions on. That state of mind is only "dangerous" if people aren't open to changing their position when presented with new evidence.

I agree. I think Delt's attitude is the natural human attitude. Meaning that of course the jury pool, as a whole, is forming and re-forming opinions as the "story" develops.

You're right that the task of the DA and the defense attorneys is to find jurors with an open mind. And it also points up why the DA should have been keeping public comments to a mimimum.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
I agree. I think Delt's attitude is the natural human attitude. Meaning that of course the jury pool, as a whole, is forming and re-forming opinions as the "story" develops.

By 'attitude' I meant that Delt was 'writing off' his willingness to assume guilt before charges have even been filed, not that he actually formed an opinion on the case - I agree that it's human nature to use information to form an opinion in this sort of situation (in fact, I'd love to quote Hastie & Pennington right here, but there's no need to nerd up this thread - it turns out you've identified the fundamental pathway through which 'jurors' make decisions).

Originally posted by MysticCat81
You're right that the task of the DA and the defense attorneys is to find jurors with an open mind. And it also points up why the DA should have been keeping public comments to a mimimum.

Since most research shows that pre-trial publicity will help the DA win the case, and since most people feel (incorrectly) that the DA's job is to win the case, it's easy to see why such comments are made - it's disingenuous and damaging to the ideals of the system, but easy to understand . . .

[BobbyTheDon]

Originally posted by XOMichelle
well you can f off.

and rudey, so can you.

She told you to F off dude. LOL

I love this girl

[HBADPi]

Originally posted by XOMichelle
well you can f off.

and rudey, so can you.

I recognize that there are so many other factors to life that make our dreams come true, and our work is just a small part. You can be self-centered and darwinistic if you like, but realize your view is just that.

Where was I being self-centered and darwinistic? I was just merely pointing out that you might want to learn how to spell if you want to preach about education and its importance...especially in medicine you dont want to write on someone's chart that they have a herniated lumber disc, do you?


Edited to fix my spelling mistake..a function thats there for a reason

[kddani]

Originally posted by HBADPi
Where was I being self-centered and dawinistic? I was just merely pointing out that you might want to learn how to spell if

lol at "dawinistic" followed by a comment telling people how to spell

[Rudey]

Originally posted by kddani
lol at "dawinistic" followed by a comment telling people how to spell

lol @ the poor grammar and sentence structure in this "Sentence" of yours.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by BobbyTheDon
She told you to F off dude. LOL

I love this girl

Ask her for a boob shot and let's just get this over with.

-Rudey

[BobbyTheDon]

Originally posted by Rudey
Ask her for a boob shot and let's just get this over with.

-Rudey

I don't think I want to try.

So far I am 0 for 3 when asking GC girls for boob pics. Well, actualluy, maybe 1 for 3, but I didn't really ask HotdamnImaphimu for the boob pics. She just kind of had them as her default pic on her myspace

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by BobbyTheDon
I don't think I want to try.

So far I am 0 for 3 when asking GC girls for boob pics. Well, actualluy, maybe 1 for 3, but I didn't really ask HotdamnImaphimu for the boob pics. She just kind of had them as her default pic on her myspace

LOLOLOLOLOL

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by KSig RC
Since most research shows that pre-trial publicity will help the DA win the case, and since most people feel (incorrectly) that the DA's job is to win the case, it's easy to see why such comments are made - it's disingenuous and damaging to the ideals of the system, but easy to understand . . .

I agree, and it's as a lawyer that I worry about the damage to the system.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by ktsnake
As for DA's attitude, is it dangerous? Maybe. Most people jump to conclusions with no evidence to base those conclusions on. That state of mind is only "dangerous" if people aren't open to changing their position when presented with new evidence.

OK. I'm confused.

What I'm saying right now is that things are confused enough that I'm not ready to make a decision -- allthough it's my (or your) right to make one, I think it would be premature.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
What I'm saying right now is that things are confused enough that I'm not ready to make a decision -- allthough it's my (or your) right to make one, I think it would be premature.

Sorry, I don't think I've been clear either - what I'm saying is that I disagree with your feeling that presuming innocence is somehow 'making a decision either way', which you're obviously not willing to do (make a decision, that is) without more facts.

I applaud the latter, but disagree with the former - and that sort of feeling is what I'm decrying.

Otherwise, I completely agree with MysticCat's opinion - even though that agreement is pretty ironic, all things considered.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by KSig RC
...what I'm saying is that I disagree with your feeling that presuming innocence is somehow 'making a decision either way', which you're obviously not willing to do (make a decision, that is) without more facts.

I applaud the latter, but disagree with the former - and that sort of feeling is what I'm decrying.

OK. That makes sense.

I guess I'm having trouble with the word "presume" when you take it out of black and white (certainly no racial pun intended) on a page of paper and move it into conscious everyday thought. It seems to me that if you presume either way, that in itself is a decision. But that's not worth arguing about -- and also not that easy to explain.

Bottom line is that I can't figure out who's really doing what to whom in this case.

[KillarneyRose]

I read an article in the Washington Post this morning that said the woman is able to identify the men who allegedly attacked her. A half hour later, I read an AP article in the Washington Times that said she is NOT able to identify the men who allegedly attacked her.

Does anyone have a definitive answer on which it is?

[MysticCat]

It's not entirely clear, but it appears that may have she said sometime last week that she could identify one of the men.