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Old 10-27-2003, 09:51 AM
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I agree, it could be the lighting...everyone sooo quick to criticise

uhm, not me.
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Old 10-27-2003, 11:14 AM
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Angry Azucar Shaq blows off steam

In view of the wildfires down in my neck of the woods, I need some entertainment. So here it is, and I still think the Lakers need to be a FULL TEAM to win.

Shaq calls Lakers 'my team'

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By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- The Los Angeles Lakers will open the season Tuesday night at home with all four of their future Hall of Famers starting against the Dallas Mavericks ... but nothing even close to total harmony.

That's because Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant are feuding anew, out in the open, after a long thaw in their historically icy relationship.

O'Neal and Bryant seemed to be interacting comfortably Sunday on the practice floor, sharing the ball freely during an afternoon workout. Then they traded nasty verbal jabs after the session -- arguably their harshest comments since L.A.'s second championship season -- all stemming from O'Neal's suggestion Friday night in Las Vegas that Bryant "should probably look to be more of a passer until he gets his legs strong."

Bryant, recovering from offseason knee and shoulder surgeries, didn't welcome the suggestion, saying: "I definitely don't need advice on how to play my game."

Not even advice from O'Neal?

"Definitely not," Bryant continued. "I know how to play my guard spot. He can worry about the low post, and I'll worry about the [perimeter]."

When apprised of Bryant's reaction, O'Neal lashed out harder.

"As we start this new season, we want [expletive] done right," Shaq said. "If you don't like it, then you can opt out next year. As long as it's my team, then I'll voice my opinion. If you don't like it, then opt out."

That was a reference to Bryant's plan to exercise an option in his contract at season's end and test the free-agent market next summer, a stance Bryant has said he won't change in the wake of his felony sexual assault charge in Colorado.

Asked to clarify his "my team" remark, O'Neal added: "Everybody knows that. You [media] guys may give it to [Bryant] like you've given him everything else his whole lifetime, but this is the Diesel's ship. So ... if you ain't right [physically], don't be trying to go out there and get right on our expense. Use the people out there, then when you get right you [can] do what you do."

Not since the middle of the 2001-02 season -- the second of L.A.'s three consecutive championships -- have O'Neal and Bryant sparred in the press like this. Their relationship seemed to blossom into friendship during the third championship and also appeared to survive last season's 11-19 start and subsequent crash out of the playoffs with a second-round loss to San Antonio.

Throughout this first month back to work, however, there have been thinly veiled hints from O'Neal that problems have resurfaced, starting from the veterans' first day of training camp in Hawaii. Bryant did not fly on the Lakers' team charter and reported to camp a day late. O'Neal said at the time that "the full team is here," leading some to speculate that he preferred to play this season without the distractions attached to Bryant's court case.

Days later, explaining why he was sitting out an exhibition game with a sore left heel, O'Neal said: "I want to be right [in the regular season] for Derek, Karl and Gary.'' He was referring to Derek Fisher and new teammates Karl Malone and Gary Payton -- and O'Neal ommitted Bryant's name from the conversation more than once.

Malone and Payton, by contrast, have publicly supported Bryant as strongly as anyone in Lakers circles. But even Payton has urged Bryant to ease his way back into the team flow, after Bryant fatigued quickly and shot poorly in the second half of the Lakers' final two exhibition games.

Eyebrows were also raised when Bryant, for Thursday's exhibition in Anaheim against the Clippers, rode his motorcycle to and from the game instead of riding on the team bus.

Yet O'Neal, when pressed, insisted that the Lakers can play through any problems he's having with Bryant.

"I don't really worry about that," O'Neal said when asked about the state of the relationship. "I'm here to do a job. ... If he's open, I'm going to give it to him. If I'm open, I expect him to give it to me. I don't care about [expletive] else he does, and I know he don't care [expletive] else I do."

What's clear is that Lakers coach Phil Jackson, who spoke to reporters before his stars started volleying barbs, has his first real challenge of the season, less than 48 hours before the season opener. And it's right in his own locker room, not in a Colorado courtroom.

Asked about how he plans to play against the Mavericks on Tuesday night, Bryant said: "No change in my game whatsoever."

Said O'Neal: "Just ask Karl and Gary why they came here. One person, not two. One. Period. ... I'm not telling [Bryant] how to play his position. I'm telling him how to play team ball."

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here. Also, click here
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Old 10-27-2003, 12:06 PM
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Re: Azucar Shaq blows off steam

Shaq drank a tall glass of haterade before making this comment


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You [media] guys may give it to [Bryant] like you've given him everything else his whole lifetime
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This is Diesel's ship
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Old 10-27-2003, 12:20 PM
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That pic doesn't show any of the important bits, although it's close.

I'm just mad that her thighs are ASHY!!!
I heard on the radio that allegedly this is one of a group of pics that are more rebealing as she moves to step out of the car. The ..uh...full view is also flying around the net and her camp are trying to stop it.
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Old 10-27-2003, 12:42 PM
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I heard on the radio that allegedly this is one of a group of pics that are more rebealing as she moves to step out of the car. The ..uh...full view is also flying around the net and her camp are trying to stop it.

Good luck. If the RIAA cant stop kids from downloading "Hit Me Baby One More Time" with hundreds of lawsuits, I doubt that her people can do anything about the pics.
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Old 10-27-2003, 02:07 PM
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Good luck. If the RIAA cant stop kids from downloading "Hit Me Baby One More Time" with hundreds of lawsuits, I doubt that her people can do anything about the pics.
Ain't that the truth!

Besides, it was a picture taken in public so the taker was within their rights to take the pic and if the person holding the rights to the pic isn't complaining, she can't do much...except make sure not to flash her...goods...in public anymore!
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Old 10-27-2003, 02:12 PM
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Re: Re: Azucar Shaq blows off steam

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Shaq drank a tall glass of haterade before making this comment
I disagree. Shaq has been the most dominating force in the NBA the last 5 years and while Kobe is tremendous, Shaq is a straight P.I.M.P on the court. It's his team, period.

I think Shaq is piling on because of KB's legal troubles, but his comments were on point.

...and I wondered what Steeltrap, GC's resident Laker fan, thought of all this. ST, can the Diesel and troubled boy find happiness on the court? Will Uncle Karl and GP finally get their rings?
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Old 10-27-2003, 02:33 PM
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I disagree. Shaq has been the most dominating force in the NBA the last 5 years and while Kobe is tremendous, Shaq is a straight P.I.M.P on the court. It's his team, period.

I think Shaq is piling on because of KB's legal troubles, but his comments were on point.
I'm just glad that he didn't take it to the house with the comments. He could have gone to the point of no return, but instead, he kept it vague and kept it to the happenings on the court. He could said that he will concentrate on things happening on the court and Kobe should concentrate on the courtroom and the bedroom. Luckily, Shaquille didn't go there . . . Kobe needs to calm down with his bare-backing adulterous self -- silly rabbit.
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Old 10-27-2003, 02:53 PM
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Kobe needs to calm down with his bare-backing adulterous self -- silly rabbit.
Ain't that the truth
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Old 10-27-2003, 03:13 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Azucar Shaq blows off steam

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I disagree. Shaq has been the most dominating force in the NBA the last 5 years and while Kobe is tremendous, Shaq is a straight P.I.M.P on the court. It's his team, period.

I think Shaq is piling on because of KB's legal troubles, but his comments were on point.

...and I wondered what Steeltrap, GC's resident Laker fan, thought of all this. ST, can the Diesel and troubled boy find happiness on the court? Will Uncle Karl and GP finally get their rings?
As GC's resident Laker fan, I certainly hope that Diesel and the Kobester can put aside the differences and find happiness on the court. And if they can come together, Uncle Karl and GP may get their much-coveted championships.
But this article does raise eyebrows.
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Old 10-27-2003, 03:29 PM
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I disagree. Shaq has been the most dominating force in the NBA the last 5 years and while Kobe is tremendous, Shaq is a straight P.I.M.P on the court. It's his team, period.

I think Shaq is piling on because of KB's legal troubles, but his comments were on point.

...and I wondered what Steeltrap, GC's resident Laker fan, thought of all this. ST, can the Diesel and troubled boy find happiness on the court? Will Uncle Karl and GP finally get their rings?
It may be his team but did you see the comment that I was talking about? You [media] guys may give it to [Bryant] like you've given him everything else his whole lifetime THAT'S hating.

And wasn't Shaq out for most of one season because of his big toe?
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Old 10-27-2003, 04:44 PM
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I wish I had the link to the article Newsweek did on him. He has NO kind of social skills and doesnt seem to understand the concept of teamwork..
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Old 10-27-2003, 05:10 PM
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It may be his team but did you see the comment that I was talking about? You [media] guys may give it to [Bryant] like you've given him everything else his whole lifetime THAT'S hating.

And wasn't Shaq out for most of one season because of his big toe?
Toocute,
I agree with you. The diesel has NO ROOM to talk the way he came in last year (fat) and played w/ his injury last year. But from a team point of view, Kobe, while really talented, looks great becuase of the pressure Shaq puts on a defense. Shaq forces double teams, which messes up the defense. It's easier for KB to get to the rim against a scrambled defense than a set one.

Here's a thought. Without Kobe, I don't think Shaq wins 3 rings; maybe one by now...but without Shaq, how many titles does Kobe have??

It's a shame these boys can't play in the same sandbox together.
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Old 10-27-2003, 05:19 PM
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It's a shame these boys can't play in the same sandbox together.
Yeah...I'm hoping that Malone and Payton will bring some much needed maturity to the team.
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Old 10-27-2003, 05:26 PM
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Yeah...I'm hoping that Malone and Payton will bring some much needed maturity to the team.

Not to mention Ben-Gay, Metamucil, Milk-o-magnesieum, heating pads.


..., and whatever that red stuff my mom used to put on every injury I had as a kid. It was bright red -- Mecuricum thiolate (sp) I think it was. Somebody has to know what I'm talking about.
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