TBSG Rush Thread

[Floridagirl]

I think sororities should avoid rudeness, however, since we weren't there maybe there was a circumstance we don't know about. Unfortunately pnms will get dropped. The only problem I have is when these girls sound great and get dropped and then most of the houses on a particular campus don't make quota because they were all competing for glamour girls and ignored some really great rushees. I am still mourning Enna.

TBSG- I'm really sorry. I think some of the others had some really great ideas for you. Good luck!

[James]

This goes along with my previous post . . .
anniesigkap and others,

Reading these threads I have come to realize that Formal Rush is a unique and special experience at some of these Psycho Schools.

To see that experience ruined for PNM's because of the lack of care exhibited by active memebrs is horrifying.

You, anniesigkap and others have chosen to belong and perpetuate a system that creates an artifical demand for PNM's.

A system that allows many girls to go unplaced so that a limited amount of sororities can almost always be assured of never having membership problems.

The least you can do is embrace your responsibility to give the PNM's a magical experience. They should have tears in their eyes.

Like a good pageant, even if they have the dissapointment of losing (not being picked) the process should be so enjoyable that it was worth being involved.

To let them down. To not give them their proverbial money's worth. To be involved in creating a degrading, humiliating and awful experience . . .

Is to fail miserably in your responsibility both as sorority members and human beings.

Good human beings are defined by being involved in and helping to create good or even great effects on people.

Bad human beings are defined by being involved in and helping to create bad or awful effects on people.

How can there be any question that in this circumstance you have chosen to show yourselves as bad human beings?

You and others have chosen to ruin what has become a Rite of Passage for many women. No different than spoiling a first stolen kiss, a prom, a graduation . . . or in this case a Formal Rush.

All events that are supposed to be magical occasions that will resonate inside of us for the rest our lives.

Memories that we will trot out to warm us when life seemd cold and hard.

But not this memory for this and other PNM's. This memory will be hidden and painful like so many of Life's Dissapointments.

All because you and others chose to let these poor girls down.

And instead of letting her suffer in dignified silence and be consoled by others . . .

And instead of taking responsibility or offering solace . . .

You have chosen to offer an angry and callous defence of the undefendable.

Because how can you defend ruining someone's Rite of Passage?

Well enough from me.

You, anniesigkap, have made your position clear and are both unsypmathetic and unrepentant for ruining a Life Experience for a population of girls who's fragile hopes you carried in your clumsy inept hands.

But at least I am consoled knowing what comes around goes around. And that someday your happiness will be carried around in someone else's callous hands.

And maybe, after they dash your dreams, they will offer the same lame excuses.

I sincerely hope that happens to you many times beyond count.

Have a nice day

[kddani]

Wow, how profound. Very eloquent, James.

I agree with the sentiment of it, perhaps not as harshly, but you have said some of the things that i have thought now and in the past.

[KillarneyRose]

Originally posted by James
This goes along with my previous post . . .
anniesigkap and others,

Reading these threads I have come to realize that Formal Rush is a unique and special experience at some of these Psycho Schools.

To see that experience ruined for PNM's because of the lack of care exhibited by active memebrs is horrifying.

You, anniesigkap and others have chosen to belong and perpetuate a system that creates an artifical demand for PNM's.

A system that allows many girls to go unplaced so that a limited amount of sororities can almost always be assured of never having membership problems.

The least you can do is embrace your responsibility to give the PNM's a magical experience. They should have tears in their eyes.

Like a good pageant, even if they have the dissapointment of losing (not being picked) the process should be so enjoyable that it was worth being involved.

To let them down. To not give them their proverbial money's worth. To be involved in creating a degrading, humiliating and awful experience . . .

Is to fail miserably in your responsibility both as sorority members and human beings.

Good human beings are defined by being involved in and helping to create good or even great effects on people.

Bad human beings are defined by being involved in and helping to create bad or awful effects on people.

How can there be any question that in this circumstance you have chosen to show yourselves as bad human beings?

You and others have chosen to ruin what has become a Rite of Passage for many women. No different than spoiling a first stolen kiss, a prom, a graduation . . . or in this case a Formal Rush.

All events that are supposed to be magical occasions that will resonate inside of us for the rest our lives.

Memories that we will trot out to warm us when life seemd cold and hard.

But not this memory for this and other PNM's. This memory will be hidden and painful like so many of Life's Dissapointments.

All because you and others chose to let these poor girls down.

And instead of letting her suffer in dignified silence and be consoled by others . . .

And instead of taking responsibility or offering solace . . .

You have chosen to offer an angry and callous defence of the undefendable.

Because how can you defend ruining someone's Rite of Passage?

Well enough from me.

You, anniesigkap, have made your position clear and are both unsypmathetic and unrepentant for ruining a Life Experience for a population of girls who's fragile hopes you carried in your clumsy inept hands.

But at least I am consoled knowing what comes around goes around. And that someday your happiness will be carried around in someone else's callous hands.

And maybe, after they dash your dreams, they will offer the same lame excuses.

I sincerely hope that happens to you many times beyond count.

Have a nice day

What my dear friend James is trying to say is that it is not nice to be rude to PNMs.

[mmcat]

Your post works...

[SoCalGirl]

But I have to say it.

James, et al~

Some of you are calling Annie and the sorority that double rushed TBSG horrible people or at least horrible rushers.

I'm so comforted to know that GC has some omnipotent members that know absolutely everything about everything and feel that they can judge these women.

Floaters FLOAT!!!!!!! Most floaters don't rush. They've usually got some other job. Or maybe the floaters have grousome rush skills. Or maybe just maybe the "plenty of floaters" was more like five and they were waiting to bump.

Plus I'd find it hard to fathom that it was the same rusher and the two rushees for the entire party. Not impossible but very unlikely. Killarny, I'd think you'd know that since you have been involved in recruitment since these girls were in second grade.

When it comes to double rushing everyone has their own beliefs. I for one would have dropped Chatty Cathy. I have sisters that would have been annoyed that Mum Mary didn't speak up for herself.

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I don't blame TBSG for any of her feelings. SHE'S not the one that was making horrible statements. SHE just told us about her perceived experience.

I wish TBSG the best of luck with her search for a sorority. I hope that she finds what she's looking for. Even if that's outside the greek community.

[KDHoney]

I'm just going to ditto about everything that's been said already, but oh well...Last year was my first experience with formal recruitment. I in no way claim to know everything and mistakes will be made. But, when they ARE made, it's important to recognize them and work to correct them for the future. Also, it always seems to me that people respond over-emotionally when they are cornered on something...if someone really thought they were blameless, they'd be more able to put forth a calm argument. But, anyway, TBSG, this is about you and about supporting you and I hope that you know that we are here for you!

[Peaches-n-Cream]

TBSG, I am sorry that your rush experience was such a disappointment. I hope that you take comfort in the fact that:
1. You are not alone in this experience
2. Most of us are sympathetic to your situation
3. COB can be an incredible alternative with a potentially positive outcome
4. Membership in service and professional organizations can be a rewarding option

I for one hope that your greatest wishes and desires are fulfilled and that you enjoy a complete college experience. Perhaps you and other similarly disappointed PNM can begin a new sorority as wishinhopin describes in her thread Rush at UCSC.

[ToBeSororityGrl]

I've spent some time deciding if I wanted to say anything or comment on other people's posts and decided I'd say something.

I never said on this thread which sorority invited me so it's up to you to decide if it was AnnieSigKap's or just another sorority on campus. I decided not to say which one because what if I didn't get in, then maybe a girl from that sorority would be lurking about reading it. It's up to you to think which sorority I went to, or just not care which it was.

About invites at Truman, you can get a max of 5 and only go to 4. Unfortunately I only got 1 but it didn't matter that the other groups dropped me because deep down I wanted that single one. As I read about their philanthropies I really felt I could contribute with my heart. Sure I would have done all the philanthropies at any other sorority but my heart was with this one. They have the coolest date party and I really liked that, and I genuinly liked the girls. They weren't all just blonde or brunette or skinny or tall, they were all different! Diverse! It's nice to see a big group of smiling girls that are all different, because that's what makes everyone unique.

But, when I picked up my invite I immeaditly thought back to last year at that same sororities' party when the other PNM hardly let me say more than 5 words. When I first met my gammi chi I asked her how I would combat that if it happened again and she said try and ask questions about the sorority so that you can learn more and be able to speak some. I tried and didn't succeed well at all. But, that's alright. I guess when you think about it someone who speaks Russian is exciting, but to spend a lot of time talking about that, really made me feel bad. I speak french and for 7 years and they didn't seem interested at all. But like I said there are lot more french speaking girls out there as opposed to russian speaking girls.

Even though I felt like I came off boring at the party because I hardly got to say much I still really liked them. Sure, I felt hurt but that didn't mean I didn't want to be there. Heck, I still wish tommorow I could run down the hill into their group, but I can't, and I accept that. Do I have anything against XYZ> Not at all. I decided not to do much my freshman year because I knew I wanted to be in a sorority and devote a lot of my time to it and be on the exec board and so forth which leads me to why I decided to say something

Everyone on hear was supportive and said look for something else so when I found out my friend was going to try for a local service sorority I decided I would with her, so tommorow we are going to go to the informational meeting for the local service sorority.

[SigKapSundevil]

Good for you!! Please let us know how that goes!

[IvySpice]

TBSG, you have class, and it's going to serve you well no matter where life takes you.

Ivy

[KDHoney]

Good for you TBSG! Way to stay committed to what you want to do! All the best to you...

[nwsigkap]

TBSG-

Sorry things didn't work out for you. Give the service sorority a try. From reading your post it sounds like your heart is really into philanthropy and it would be a great match.

On a sidenote...
You aren't the only one to be heavily cut @ Truman. One of my sorority sister brother's girlfriend was cut by every sorority except one after the first day. She graduated third in her class from a large high school, was involved in several activites, and is a very nice and cute girl. It's not like she's quiet or b*tchy either so we don't think conversation was an issue. She had recs in to a couple orgs too. We're hoping this was just a panhell error and that she can be picked up for snap bids if you have them. My friend emailed the SK president and recruitment chair, and a DZ that knows her is trying to get in contact with their head people. Crazy stuff!

[KillarneyRose]

Originally posted by SoCalGirl

Plus I'd find it hard to fathom that it was the same rusher and the two rushees for the entire party. Not impossible but very unlikely. Killarny, I'd think you'd know that since you have been involved in recruitment since these girls were in second grade.

It sounds like perhaps you are being sarcastic? But on the chance you're not, I would like to address your comment.

I'm sorry, I'm confused by what exactly you mean by this? You think I would know what? That it is not a favorable scenario to have the same rusher with the same two rushees for the entire party? Yes, I do know that. One doesn't have to be involved in rushing for 14-15 years to know that. That is supposed to be second nature by the end of Rush Retreat.

Or are you saying that you would think I would know it is unlikely that this would happen? It IS unlikely. UNLESS the chapter's rushing skills are not up to par. Then it is much more common.

One more thing, regarding the floaters? I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "they floated"? In my chapter, floaters were girls who were not assigned to a particular rushee at the beginning of the party but instead kept an eye on conversations that were in progress and was ready to jump in if it seemed to be lagging. Maybe the women who are assigned to do that are called something else in your chapter?

[AOIIalum]

Originally posted by ToBeSororityGrl
Everyone on hear was supportive and said look for something else so when I found out my friend was going to try for a local service sorority I decided I would with her, so tommorow we are going to go to the informational meeting for the local service sorority.

TBSG, you rock! Good for you! I hope you see what you like at the local service sorority. Please let us know how things go and best of luck with this new chapter in your life.

Christin