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07-25-2007, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by litAKAtor
Don't get me wrong, I never said the allegations weren't serious, they are . . but don't be misled either . . just because someone is indicted doesn't mean they will win. neither does it mean that the government has a very very strong change of winning. .
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I read recently that the US Government has something like a 95% (maybe 98%) success rate in trials and hasn't lost a case since 1994. I just don't think they take cases to trial that they don't think they have an excellent chance of winning.
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07-25-2007, 08:03 PM
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I read recently that the US Government has something like a 95% (maybe 98%) success rate in trials and hasn't lost a case since 1994. I just don't think they take cases to trial that they don't think they have an excellent chance of winning.
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Especially high profile cases with the kind of evidence that has leaked out about this one.
You wouldn't want to think they're going to lose this one, but I'm constantly surprised by the government's ability to goof stuff up.
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07-25-2007, 11:20 PM
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My fiancee thinks that he will be able to get a lawyer who will be able to get the innocent verdict. I think he is screwed.
It seems to me that the amount of time that has passed was specifically so the government had a case. At least the government is doing more than the Commonwealth's Attorney for Surry County. (Yet again, the Surry County grand jury met this week. The CA wants to investigate more before he presents anything to the grand jury. Umm, yeah....right!)
They are expecting a circus at the court tomorrow. Blocking streets to traffic among other things. I am sure I will have my fill of the whole arraginment by tomorrow night.
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07-26-2007, 02:50 PM
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My fiancee thinks that he will be able to get a lawyer who will be able to get the innocent verdict. I think he is screwed.
It seems to me that the amount of time that has passed was specifically so the government had a case. At least the government is doing more than the Commonwealth's Attorney for Surry County. (Yet again, the Surry County grand jury met this week. The CA wants to investigate more before he presents anything to the grand jury. Umm, yeah....right!)
They are expecting a circus at the court tomorrow. Blocking streets to traffic among other things. I am sure I will have my fill of the whole arraginment by tomorrow night.
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If Jeffrey Skilling couldn't hire a good enough lawyer to get him out of trouble........I seriously doubt Michael Vick could.
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07-26-2007, 03:05 PM
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If Jeffrey Skilling couldn't hire a good enough lawyer to get him out of trouble........I seriously doubt Michael Vick could.
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To be fair, Vick has a LOT of advantages Skilling did not simply by being a pro athlete and a larger public figure (plus Skilling's attorneys botched several important issues, including "outing" his witness preparation consultant, etc) . . . but yeah, in general I agree. This is the type of case where a great attorney may not make any difference - bad facts make bad law, and all those platitudes.
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07-26-2007, 03:11 PM
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Especially high profile cases with the kind of evidence that has leaked out about this one.
You wouldn't want to think they're going to lose this one, but I'm constantly surprised by the government's ability to goof stuff up.
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Exactly . . in a Jury System NOTHING is 100% . .
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07-26-2007, 05:31 PM
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I wonder what the potential penalty is for all of the charges against him. No offense to any animal lovers but Vick is getting this attention because he's famous. Charge him, try him, convict if necessary and let's move on.
Is it just me?
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07-26-2007, 05:52 PM
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I wonder what the potential penalty is for all of the charges against him. No offense to any animal lovers but Vick is getting this attention because he's famous. Charge him, try him, convict if necessary and let's move on.
Is it just me?
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I believe it is a maximum sentence of six years if convicted.
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07-26-2007, 07:29 PM
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I wonder what the potential penalty is for all of the charges against him. No offense to any animal lovers but Vick is getting this attention because he's famous. Charge him, try him, convict if necessary and let's move on.
Is it just me?
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I agree with this. Honestly though, Vick couldn't have picked a worse time to get into trouble. I believe the federal law against animal fighting was just passed in May. Vick is, I believe, only the 2nd or 3rd person to be charged with animal fighting on a large scale.
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07-27-2007, 12:16 PM
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Reuter - In response to the turmoil surrounding Falcons start quarterback Michael Vick. The Director of Operations released an artist's rendition of the Atlanta Falcon's new logo. His explanation was that the Falcons organization is standing behind the enbattled star as he deal with an ongoing investigation in to allegations of dog fighting at his home in Virginia.
Vick at present has been asked to take a leave of absence so that he can concentrate on his legal woes.
It is unclear at present what Vick's future will be should he be cleared of all charges.
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07-27-2007, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by virgo921
I wonder what the potential penalty is for all of the charges against him. No offense to any animal lovers but Vick is getting this attention because he's famous. Charge him, try him, convict if necessary and let's move on.
Is it just me?
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I agree with this. Honestly though, Vick couldn't have picked a worse time to get into trouble. I believe the federal law against animal fighting was just passed in May. Vick is, I believe, only the 2nd or 3rd person to be charged with animal fighting on a large scale.
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Don't you think the "powers that be" for the Falcon's organization had to find a way to get outta of a contract with him? Even if a major "animal fighting law" was passed, "they" KNEW Vick's weakness for this kind of "alternative enjoyment and sport"...
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08-01-2007, 05:15 AM
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I saw a video of a dog fight on CNN and it was horrific. They had footage of dogs that had been rescued from fights, and so many of them had these awful wounds all over their faces from being bitten by other dogs. If he's guilty, he should get the maximum time possible, because this 'sport' is appallingly cruel. 
What bothers me more is that they interviewed a schoolteahcer from Chicago, who said that they asked the kids (I think 2nd/3rd graders) if they'd been to a dogfight and so many of them raised their hands that the Chicago schools have had to start an education campaign to tell the kids why dog fighting is wrong. 
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08-01-2007, 05:57 PM
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My husband, who is a veterinarian, read the original indictment...
Let's just say when a FEDERAL GRAND JURY indicts you for this kind of crime, it is not a joke. They have a full, closed investigation that is ready to prosecute.
The actual footage seen on CNN is tame... There are other videos much worse.
What is sad is how can someone call themselves a dog lover and make these dogs hurt each other...
I separate the mice when they fight so that they don't cannibalize... And cannabalism is not kosher...
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08-17-2007, 05:36 PM
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It just got worse for him...apparently his co-defendants are ratting him out saying that he participated in the killing of underperforming dogs by drowning, hanging and electrocuting them.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7...PHCP>1=10347
What a sick piece of crap.
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08-18-2007, 12:04 PM
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When it rains, it pours!
As if Michael Vick didn't have enough trouble with the law, he was cited for not wearing a seatbelt in a car he was riding in Isle of Wight.
Here is the excerpt from the article: Ticket or Click It for Vick
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As if he didn't have enough troubles, Vick was cited for not wearing a seat belt when a car he owned was pulled over Thursday by Virginia state troopers.
The officer stopped the car because the tint on the windows was too dark, state police Sgt. D.S. Carr said. The Vick-owned vehicle was being driven by someone else when pulled over in Isle of Wight County.
The driver was cited for the tint and Vick was slapped with a $25 fine for not wearing his seat belt. There are no court costs, and Vick doesn't have to go to court.
"He can prepay it if he wants to," Carr said.
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