Petition ABC Family to Cancel "Greek"

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And if the artist/company chooses not to censor their product, Walmart can choose not to sell it. If people don't like it, they won't spend their money at Walmart. This is capitalism.

Agreed.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

But back to the topic at hand--"Greek" show--good or bad for the Greek community? I think we are all in agreement about one thing. It's not uplifting to the Greek community, nor is it flattering. But again, we're in America, and sex sells, as well as anything else that is not exactly wholesome.

"Back to the topic" - GC talk meaning "I'm loosing the side debate I started so let's quickly change the subject so maybe no one will notice".

[macallan25]

So far in my quest for intellectual achievement in a Greek Life Thread........I have learned that:

A.) Puritans created censorship and are the reason why Americans censor material today.
B.) Wal Mart can freely edit copyrighted material as they see fit. Wal Mart = God?
C.) What the definition of "censor" and "censorship" are according to teh internets dictionary.

...Well....I'm ready for MENSA........

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I'm not censoring, I'm disagreeing. I'm all for them censoring the "Greek" show, though.

You're monitoring people's manners (contributing to the converstation?) that, according to you, is censoring.

If someone freely changes their product in an attempt to make more money it is NOT censorship. Erasing four letter words so they can be played on public airwaves is NOT censorship.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

"Back to the topic" - GC talk meaning "I'm loosing the side debate I started so let's quickly change the subject so maybe no one will notice".

No, I don't consider myself losing any debate, I just would like to steer the thread back to its inception--which was to discuss whether or not "Greek" is a good thing or a bad thing. I don't want to keep going in circles about what is censorship and what isn't, because I already have my own view of what it is and isn't, and I don't need someone to try to bully me into seeing it another way. Again, I am agreeing to disagree.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You're monitoring people's manners (contributing to the converstation?) that, according to you, is censoring.

If someone freely changes their product in an attempt to make more money it is NOT censorship. Erasing four letter words so they can be played on public airwaves is NOT censorship.

Well, I disagree. And I'm not monitoring anyone else's manners, I'm disagreeing with them. If I made an effort to dispell those mannerisms, then that would be censorship. So, petitioning to end "Greek" is censorship, which I have already said, I am all for, since it contributes to the negative view of the Greek community. That's just my opinion, though, and as others have said, people can simply choose not to watch it, which is also what I plan to do.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

O, they carry them, they are just bleeped out copies. And it is Walmart's decision to do so, although yes, the producer can put out a "cleaner" version, just like a radio station can only play the "nicer" version--which is still censorship.

But back to the topic at hand--"Greek" show--good or bad for the Greek community? I think we are all in agreement about one thing. It's not uplifting to the Greek community, nor is it flattering. But again, we're in America, and sex sells, as well as anything else that is not exactly wholesome.

No......Wal Mart cannot decide to edit a copyrighted CD and then sell it how they see fit. This is Illegal. That is up to the music producer and the artist. As far as the radio........artists have "radio edits" of their songs that are specifically mixed for.......the radio. How is this censorship? Nobody is forcing artists to clean up their lyrics. If they don't want to have songs on the air or sell them at Wal Mart......they don't have to.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

No......Wal Mart cannot decide to edit a copyrighted CD and then sell it how they see fit. This is Illegal. That is up to the music producer and the artist. As far as the radio........artists have "radio edits" of their songs that are specifically mixed for.......the radio. How is this censorship? Nobody is forcing artists to clean up their lyrics. If they don't want to have songs on the air or sell them at Wal Mart......they don't have to.

Agreeing to disagree. "Greek"--good or bad? Should it be censored? Does anyone care anymore? Let's stop going around in circles, please.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Well, I disagree. And I'm not monitoring anyone else's manners, I'm disagreeing with them. If I made an effort to dispell those mannerisms, then that would be censorship. So, petitioning to end "Greek" is censorship, which I have already said, I am all for, since it contributes to the negative view of the Greek community. That's just my opinion, though, and as others have said, people can simply choose not to watch it, which is also what I plan to do.

So it's not just the monitoring, it's being in a position of power that lets you change things? Because your definition just went flying out the window.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So it's not just the monitoring, it's being in a position of power that lets you change things? Because your definition just went flying out the window.

Not exactly. I'm not monitoring anyone's manners, I'm simply disagreeing with them, which is what I just said. This is now pointless.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

So far in my quest for intellectual achievement in a Greek Life Thread........I have learned that:

A.) Puritans created censorship and are the reason why Americans censor material today.
B.) Wal Mart can freely edit copyrighted material as they see fit. Wal Mart = God?
C.) What the definition of "censor" and "censorship" are according to teh internets dictionary.

...Well....I'm ready for MENSA........

You win, all of you. Happy?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

This is now pointless.

Post #1 of this thread was pointless. And everything since then just went downhill.

[macallan25]

I don't think you are understanding here.......there is not disagreeing.....nothing you said about Wal Mart or the Radio is true......at all.

"Greek" is irrelavent......it looks like a terrible show on ABC Family that nobody will watch. I do not think it will have any real affect on real Greeks, I'm not that concernced about it, and I really don't think anyone will care that they have a TV show about fake fraternities/sororities. If people think they should make up their minds about Greek Life based on a teenager-targeted TV show....then they should be slapped in the face.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I don't think you are understanding here.......there is not disagreeing.....nothing you said about Wal Mart or the Radio is true......at all.

"Greek" is irrelavent......it looks like a terrible show on ABC Family that nobody will watch. I do not think it will portray Greeks negatively, I'm not that concernced about it, and I really don't think anyone will care that they have a TV show about fake fraternities/sororities. If people think they should make up their minds about Greek Life based on a teenager-targeted TV show....then they should be slapped in the face.

Agreed, but unfortunately, many of those people WILL take what they see on television for fact, which is not a positive for the Greek community.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.

If you think that ratings = censorship, apparently you don't understand exactly what censorship is.

Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Assuming that this definition is correct, which I wouldn't (it's the last definition given at dictionary.com, and unlike with the other, more specific definitions, the source isn't even an actual, widely-relied on dictionary), what does it have to do with TV, movie or CD ratings? It was ratings, not deletions from performances, that you said were censorship.

Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

Take a look at the primary definition of "censor" at your source, dictionary.com:

an official who examines books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio and television programs, letters, cablegrams, etc., for the purpose of suppressing parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds.

Likewise, the definitions from the American Heritage Dictionary are:

A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.
An official, as in the armed forces, who examines personal mail and official dispatches to remove information considered secret or a risk to security.

Last time I checked, neither Walmart nor a movie theater are "officials," nor are the "authorized" by anyone to do anything. (And others are right -- Wal-Mart can't edit copyrighted CDs or DVDs. They can and do sell "cleaned-up" versions produced by the companies who make the CDs or DVDs.)

Even by the secondary definition you posted, in what way does Wal-Mart, a movie theater or a store have any power to "supervise" your manners or morality? They don't.

As a verb, it means:

to examine and act upon as a censor.
to delete (a word or passage of text) in one's capacity as a censor

Sorry, but ratings are not censorship. Calling them censorship doesn't change the fact that they're not.