Student fights code of conduct to keep pink hair - Page 7

valkyrie · #91 08-30-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Do I if I was an Instructor want to put up with this crap, NO!

Tom, my friend, if you were an "Instructor," we would have bigger things to worry about than pink hair.

Drolefille · #92 08-30-2006, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by valkyrie

I think it's pretty clear that she IS picking her battles. You don't approve of her choice, but I doubt she cares.

Yeah yeah, just like I doubt she cares that some random message board people agree with her.

I don't CARE if she cares... we're discussing it here so I'm discussing.

/Don't you remember that when people tell you to pick your battles, they always mean to stop fighting the one that you're going on about now?

GeekyPenguin · #93 08-31-2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

I've never done anything that would GET me a disorderly conduct ticket, and if you aren't er... "Fratty" enough to have an attorney or a famous/rich father, then yeah, pay your ticket, go to traffic school etc.

It's what I did.

It's ok to fight it in court too. But when the judge says GUILTY is it a productive use of your time to appeal it to the Supreme Court? Your 75 dollar ticket is at least 150 after court costs not counting if you actually want to persue the case.

Same as that 15 dollar hair dye (if that) is now costing her some grades.

It's not a "toe the line" thing. It's a pick your battles and grow up. Sure, break the rules and pay the costs, stupid rule or no, but don't whine about the costs.

Uh, it's not always just a $75 ticket, and it would go to the Court of Appeals first.

Drolefille · #94 08-31-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Uh, it's not always just a $75 ticket, and it would go to the Court of Appeals first.

I was talking about for speeding. At least around here, you have to be going 20+ over to get a higher speeding ticket then that. I wouldn't know about being disorderly.

Yeah, I know it would go to appeals, I was taking the argument to it's conclusion, past appeals etc to the big kahunas in the big old building in DC.

The point is, Sure, you can fight it, but you might also lose. And if you fight and lose, usually the consequences are worse than if you'd never fought. (Court fees easily double your average traffic ticket, and you could even go and plead guilty and still pay more)

That's not to say you should never fight, but I feel you should make your fight over something more worthwhile than the "injustice" of not being allowed pink hair at school.

It's a dress code. Following it does not make you a mindless automaton, it means you can spend your day subtly mocking your clueless teacher, or i dunno, learning something (even if it's only in the book you brought with you to school) but sitting in In school suspension over pink hair is not a productive use of anyones time.

And I'm not the only person who would have gotten a big fat "how could you be so stupid" from my parents instead of a "FIGHT THE MAN, BABY"

/not the man-baby

GeekyPenguin · #95 08-31-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

I was talking about for speeding. At least around here, you have to be going 20+ over to get a higher speeding ticket then that. I wouldn't know about being disorderly.

Yeah, I know it would go to appeals, I was taking the argument to it's conclusion, past appeals etc to the big kahunas in the big old building in DC.

The point is, Sure, you can fight it, but you might also lose. And if you fight and lose, usually the consequences are worse than if you'd never fought. (Court fees easily double your average traffic ticket, and you could even go and plead guilty and still pay more)

That's not to say you should never fight, but I feel you should make your fight over something more worthwhile than the "injustice" of not being allowed pink hair at school.

It's a dress code. Following it does not make you a mindless automaton, it means you can spend your day subtly mocking your clueless teacher, or i dunno, learning something (even if it's only in the book you brought with you to school) but sitting in In school suspension over pink hair is not a productive use of anyones time.

And I'm not the only person who would have gotten a big fat "how could you be so stupid" from my parents instead of a "FIGHT THE MAN, BABY"

/not the man-baby

Where you live is not typical. Speeding tickets are usually well over $150 in other parts of the country.

I don't think you get to tell her what a productive use of her time is.

And I'm sorry that your parents didn't care that you had things that were important to you.

Drolefille · #96 08-31-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Where you live is not typical. Speeding tickets are usually well over $150 in other parts of the country.

I don't think you get to tell her what a productive use of her time is.

And I'm sorry that your parents didn't care that you had things that were important to you.

Wow do you have a way of misinterpretation.

As for speeding tickets, you're hung up on the number instead of addressing the point. Which, btw is that I WOULD accept the fine or fight it if I thought it was unjust.

2. I'm not telling her anything unless she happens to be on GC. Your comments on this discussion are just as relevant as mine are. In the end they're for THIS community's benefit, not the pink haired girl.

and 3. I'm calling Bullshit. You're just trying to be obtuse. My parents very much cared about things important to me. They did not however believe in or teach me that breaking rules because I WANTED to do something was in anyway equivalent to fighting for something IMPORTANT.

This girl is not the victim of discrimination based on her race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, disability, etc. She is being required to follow the same rules as the entire student population. If it turned out that this WAS some singular attack on her, my feelings would be different. HOWEVER, as it stands, she violated the dress code, just like hundreds of kids do each day, and is paying the penalty for it. And I believe it is bad parenting on the part of the mother (and/or father) to support her in violating school rules. (Normal every day rules. Not discriminatory or racist rules. Wearing a midriff shirt and daisy dukes would violate the same rule.)

Drolefille · #97 08-31-2006, 12:35 AM

I mean to type "fight it if I were innocent" but it won't let me edit...

GeekyPenguin · #98 08-31-2006, 01:03 AM

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/...Y&pageId=3.8.1

Looks like her suspension has been lifted.

valkyrie · #99 08-31-2006, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

/Don't you remember that when people tell you to pick your battles, they always mean to stop fighting the one that you're going on about now?

Well then I suppose you should pick your battles.

GeekyPenguin · #**100** 08-31-2006, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by valkyrie

Well then I suppose you should pick your battles.

Of course she does a superb job. It's just everyone else sucking because they don't share her values.

Tippiechick · #**101** 08-31-2006, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Of course she does a superb job. It's just everyone else sucking because they don't share her values.

Blueangel, anyone?

Drolefille · #**102** 08-31-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Of course she does a superb job. It's just everyone else sucking because they don't share her values.

no one else "sucks." Disagreements are the hallmark of message boards. At least no one Godwins these threads on a regular basis.

Thanks for making it personal. I've been talking about the student the entire time. Please keep on topic.

I'm glad the girl's back in school now that her hair is, mostly, back to its normal color. School is where she belonged in the first place.

MysticCat · #**103** 08-31-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

[url]Looks like her suspension has been lifted.

But not because she "won" her battle. According to the "news" story:

15-year-old Lurae Flanary was disciplined at Fossil Ridge High School after she colored her hair bright pink. But because the color was semi-permanent and has faded substantially, she's now allowed back in school.

In other words, because it's washed-out pink now, it's okay. Too funny.

KSig RC · #**104** 08-31-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Thanks for making it personal. I've been talking about the student the entire time. Please keep on topic.

Actually you seem to be injecting a LOT of "well, it's like this around here"-type stuff, so I'm going to have to disagree.

Also, court costs are often included within the cost of the ticket.

Drolefille · #**105** 08-31-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

Actually you seem to be injecting a LOT of "well, it's like this around here"-type stuff, so I'm going to have to disagree.

Also, court costs are often included within the cost of the ticket.

GP made a comment about a traffic ticket. I used an example of a traffic ticket as how fighting can cost you more than paying your fine and moving on. From my experience, if you pay the ticket it's face value. If you show up in court instead (or fail to show up) you have court costs added in. Apparently practices are too different to try to use that as a comparison. *shrug*

I really didn't try to focus on the cost, etc. instead focusing on the point of the issue. Unfortunately, even the best laid metaphors do not always work out.