Pikes at Howard Update

[PKPILZ003]

Student groups, esp Greek orgs, can only be organized on campus WITH THE PERMISSION of the school administration, esp at HBCUs. Those who attended HBCUs can speak more to this topic but I understand that these schools tend to regiment structures such as membership intake for the Greek orgs.

That's not necessarily true - in many cases, the student life office of a university encourages groups to start and exist, on their own. Permission is tacitly implied by the fact that students are involved. Do you really think that the college republicans or college democrats or SNCC or any of those groups got permission before they started.

Also what usually happens in a situation where a group of men come to an organization and ask to colonize is that group meets and then, after talking to someone from the national org, decides to take the next step and become a colony - on their way to their charter.

On a different tack - Firehouse, why don't you want your fraternity to grow? what about going to Howard bothers you?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by xo_kathy
Just wanted to quote this in case anyone missed it. People keep saying it has to do with money. NIC and NPC orgs do not give colleges money to be on their campus. Is the Pike expansion still "fishy"?

I didn't know that any GLOs gave money to colleges to be on their campus. I guess administration pay-offs happen somewhere though.

To my knowledge, when people talk about money they are talking about:

1. the membership fees that we all pay to become initiated and maintain active status in our organizations

2. the good public relations that both HU and PIKA could receive from this ordeal. That isn't a bad thing but our organizations and expansion are always about business as well as brother/sisterhood

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
The various Valkeries, Jubilances and Lady Pi Phis...I do not give a
rat's ass what you think. I personally think you are angry, and
a feel good PC aspirant. And shallow and myopic.
But you have a right to air your views. But I cannot see how so
many of you can ignore the strides made and how many of you still feel you are entitled to a handout. And the "us" has been used many times on this site. It is first person plural but not necessarily all-inclusive. Is that too much for you to grasp?
The pronouncements made by some of you dummies will keep you
busy in sites like this where you can do no harm.

And "issues" rhymes with "tissues."

Someone get this guy some Kleenex because he's having a moment.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by PKPILZ003
That's not necessarily true - in many cases, the student life office of a university encourages groups to start and exist, on their own. Permission is tacitly implied by the fact that students are involved. Do you really think that the college republicans or college democrats or SNCC or any of those groups got permission before they started.

Speaking as a Delta, a new charter can only be obtained if the school administration signs off on it. This goes for HBCUs as well as non-HBCUs. There have been many times when we were unable to establish a chapter on a campus, because the school would not allow it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Speaking for Delta, a new charter can only be obtained if the school administration signs off on it. This goes for HBCUs as well as non-HBCUs. There have been many times when we were unable to establish a chapter on a campus, because the school would not allow it.

Most campuses require approval for all student groups that wish to be formally recognized by the university. This approval process is even more stringent for GLOs. I don't know why people think that organizations do not have to go through forms and other processes to become established.

Just because someone was able to have their knitting group meet in their dorm room every week doesn't mean that this group was a "student and campus organization." Anyone can start meeting and get the idea for a group, but to become formal you have to go through the administration.

[PKPILZ003]

lady greek you're absolutely right - to get a CHARTER, the university has to sign off on it - that's the same with our group as well - but while they are striving towards that chartering date, they are just a org - no different that the dodgeball club, except they probably have to go through the step of havng Greek Council or IFC or Panhel saying that they can be on campus. But the university allows for those all encompassing groups to give initial approval.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by PKPILZ003
lady greek you're absolutely right - to get a CHARTER, the university has to sign off on it - that's the same with our group as well - but while they are striving towards that chartering date, they are just a org - no different that the dodgeball club, except they probably have to go through the step of havng Greek Council or IFC or Panhel saying that they can be on campus. But the university allows for those all encompassing groups to give initial approval.

So, what are you trying to say?

[PKPILZ003]

also, there is a big difference between registered and recognized - For example, at one of the schools where I'm a Chapter Advisor - and deal with the university Administration on a weekly basis - the chapter, like all orgs on campus is simply registered , meaning that they have to meet the same requirements that every other group does - along with that, they self adminster Greek Council and IFC - meaning that those groups adminster discipline and set policies that member groups live by - they did not need recognition before they got their charter. it was not until they were applying for their charter that we even had a discussion with the university about our status.

At the other school I advise, the Chapter is recognized, but there, too, the university, through the auspicies of the IFC , the Panhel and/or the MCGC (depending on what type of group it is) allows for the members of those groups to make a preliminary decision to let a group come on campus - it's not until the Colony period is over does the University step in and make sure everything is on the up and up. Of Course they check in along the way, but they don't give permission.

[PKPILZ003]

what i'm saying is that we have to first get the nomenclature correct.
A colony is a group of men/women that have gone out to a national organization or been selected by a national organization during a recruitment process with the goal of, one day, receiving a Chapter Charter from that organization. To achieve that, which sometimes takes anywhere from 3 months to 2 years, they have to meet many goals and complete many tasks - one of which is getting approval for existing on that campus. it is not something that you get at the beginning of the process, but instead at the end.

Does that make sense - at least that's how it works in the NIC world - it might be different in the NPHC world, and that's where we are arguing. I don't want to argue with a Delta - my sister would kill me.

[TonyB06]

Originally posted by PKPILZ003
also, there is a big difference between registered and recognized - For example, at one of the schools where I'm a Chapter Advisor - and deal with the university Administration on a weekly basis - the chapter, like all orgs on campus is simply registered , meaning that they have to meet the same requirements that every other group does - along with that, they self adminster Greek Council and IFC - meaning that those groups adminster discipline and set policies that member groups live by - they did not need recognition before they got their charter. it was not until they were applying for their charter that we even had a discussion with the university about our status.

so what responsibility/culpability would the university bear if an "incident," hazing or otherwise, occured before the registered organization's chartering process was complete?

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by PKPILZ003
what i'm saying is that we have to first get the nomenclature correct.
A colony is a group of men/women that have gone out to a national organization or been selected by a national organization during a recruitment process with the goal of, one day, receiving a Chapter Charter from that organization. To achieve that, which sometimes takes anywhere from 3 months to 2 years, they have to meet many goals and complete many tasks - one of which is getting approval for existing on that campus. it is not something that you get at the beginning of the process, but instead at the end.

Does that make sense - at least that's how it works in the NIC world - it might be different in the NPHC world, and that's where we are arguing. I don't want to argue with a Delta - my sister would kill me.

For NPC's, teh university recognition comes at the beginning. After all, the University is who invited the group to colonize in the first place.

[PKPILZ003]

Usually what would happen in that instance would be that the group would not be allowed, via the IFC, to get their charter and usually the national HQ and Exec would shut down the Colony - i've had to do that before - its one of the hardest things in the fraternity world - because it's usually one idiot or a small group of idiots that take you there

in the registered scenario, the university bears no responsibilty - that's what i've been told by a few Student Life personnel.

if the 06 in your name refers to you wearing Black and Old Gold, then Congrats on your Century of Greatness -

[PKPILZ003]

thanks, smart blonde, but as you know, you tend to only expand when the university says its ok, while we on the NIC side go out looking all the time for places to "plant the flag"

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
The various Valkeries, Jubilances and Lady Pi Phis...I do not give a
rat's ass what you think. I personally think you are angry, and
a feel good PC aspirant. And shallow and myopic.
But you have a right to air your views. But I cannot see how so
many of you can ignore the strides made and how many of you still feel you are entitled to a handout. And the "us" has been used many times on this site. It is first person plural but not necessarily all-inclusive. Is that too much for you to grasp?
The pronouncements made by some of you dummies will keep you
busy in sites like this where you can do no harm.

Sorry buddy, but I've never been one for handouts, which could explain why I'm working on my second master's degree. According to you, I'm sitting at home ranting against the man and collecting welfare checks. Its so easy to "ass"ume something negative about me, instead of actually listening to people when they tell you that your posts are offensive. Yeah I'm angry, cause I could be the most successful woman in the world, and folks like you would still think I'm a product of handouts and quotas, instead of working hard and getting somewhere on my own merit.

Try again.

[tld221]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Sorry buddy, but I've never been one for handouts, which could explain why I'm working on my second master's degree. According to you, I'm sitting at home ranting against the man and collecting welfare checks. Its so easy to "ass"ume something negative about me, instead of actually listening to people when they tell you that your posts are offensive. Yeah I'm angry, cause I could be the most successful woman in the world, and folks like you would still think I'm a product of handouts and quotas, instead of working hard and getting someone on my own merit.

Try again.

dear jubilance1922,

i :heart: you. you're my hero.

love,
tld221