Explosions Around London

[moe.ron]

The area where he was shot, Stockwell, is a very dangerous area. One plausible scenario is that he saw 3 person running toward him. He panicked and thought that they were muggers.

Interesting that there are some reports that questioned the police assertion that they shouted warnings. I'll try to find the article.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
The area where he was shot, Stockwell, is a very dangerous area. One plausible scenario is that he saw 3 person running toward him. He panicked and thought that they were muggers.

Interesting that there are some reports that questioned the police assertion that they shouted warnings. I'll try to find the article.

Do the police not wear uniforms or identify themselves?

Really, I can understand the cops. A man wearing an overcoat in this heat, with wires, and running through the subway. They have a short while to react before he blows himself up if he's a terrorist. They made that decision.

Of course, the cops confirmed the kill. The media has somehow found this heinous only in certain countries, but not others. When will the BBC interview the Brazilian's family? Will the British be commiting genocide in regards to Pakistanis as the Guardian would say? Will the papers call the terrorists there freedom fighters and activists?

-Rudey

-Rudey

[xo_kathy]

Originally posted by kddani
Why oh why would anyone be dumb enough to run from the cops?

Can't say I don't agree, but from the article it seems he may have not been thinking about terrorism and more about his expired visa. That's just a guess on my part, obviously.

And, Rudey, I'm pretty sure these were plain-clothes cops. Don't know if they identified themselves, though. But agian, perhaps they did and he ran b/c of the visa issue?

I can see both sides. I understand what Rudey is saying, but I also worry about people being overzealous and this happening a lot more.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
...Ok back on topic. I think people are pretty dumb to continue using the subway system there. Their security has already proven to be not so great, yet these people keep riding on a ticking time bomb- no pun intended.

Public transit is the mjor source of transportation in London.
LOnd is a very small city and it does not have the infrastructure to support everybody and their mother driving.
People cannot just stop using public transportation over there.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Do the police not wear uniforms or identify themselves?

That's where it gets scatchy. The cops weren't wearing uniform. They were undercover. The police said that they were shouting orders to the Brazilian. However, eyewitnesses is disputing it. So, who knows what happen.

[RACooper]

Well it looks like the case of the Brazilian shot by London police has taken a new turn - leaked security camera footage of the man in question entering the station does not show him running, in fact it shows him casually walking into the station, even stopping to grab a paper, before boarding the train.

It's looking to be more likely a "panic" shooting were the police acted without thinking, in response to the extreme tension and panic about another bomber.

Hmmm.... so does that mean the John Gibson and Bill O'Reilly are still going to be praising the "justifyable" actions of the police in this shooting?

Footage Contradicts London Police Reports
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/britain_b...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

MICHAEL McDONOUGH, Associated Press Writer Wed Aug 17, 9:43 AM ET

LONDON - A Brazilian shot to death a day after botched bombings in London had walked casually onto a train before being gunned down by undercover officers, according to leaked footage that appeared to contradict earlier police reports that said the man disobeyed police orders.

Jean Charles de Menezes, a 27-year-old electrician, was shot eight times last month in front of terrified commuters on a subway train, after undercover police tailed him from a house under surveillance.

Police first said the shooting was related to the failed bombings on the London transit system July 21 — two weeks after four suspected suicide bombers blew themselves up in three Underground stations and aboard one double-decker bus.

Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police commissioner, called the death regrettable, but said it appeared "the man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions."

Citing security footage, a British television station reported Tuesday that Menezes entered the Stockwell subway station at a normal walking pace, stopping to pick up a newspaper before boarding a train and taking a seat.

The ITV News broadcast, citing an investigation report into the shooting, also said Menezes was wearing a light denim jacket when he was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder. Witness reports described a terrifying scene of the man — wearing a bulky jacket on a warm July day — running through the train station, being tackled by a group of undercover police officers, then being shot several times at close range.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is investigating the shooting, refused Wednesday to comment on the veracity of the documents cited by ITV News.

A police spokeswoman also refused to explain what Blair meant when he said it appeared Menezes disobeyed orders. She noted, however, that police never said Menezes had tried to vault the barriers at the Underground station or tried to run from police.

Lawyer Harriet Wistrich, acting for the Brazilian's family, said police had no reason to suspect Menezes was a bomber.

"He was not carrying a rucksack. He simply had a denim jacket," Wistrich told British Broadcasting Corp. TV. "Was it necessary to shoot him dead as opposed to trying to confront him at an earlier stage? There was no indication he was about to blow himself up at all."

ITV News said that, according to the IPCC report, a member of the team that tailed Menezes into the subway train said he heard shouting including the word "police" before turning to face the Brazilian.

"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the ... officers ... I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side," the unidentified officer was quoted as saying.

"I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting. ... I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage."

A man sitting opposite Menezes saw a man boarding and firing his first shot from a handgun at the Brazilian's head from 12 inches away, according to the report obtained by ITV.

The report also said that, while Menezes was shot eight times, three other bullets were fired but missed.

BBC story:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4159310.stm