PiKA Costume party - black face - bye-bye

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IvySpice
??? Who, Scalia? He was valedictorian at Georgetown and then went to Harvard Law.

Sorry, he was a prof here...not an alum.

-Rudey

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by KEPike
If they really are a bad chapter, then Pike needs to look at revoking their charter. Although I seriously doubt that asshole-ish behavior and racial insensitivity will get their charter revoked.

This is a valid point. If every fraternity that behaved like assholes lost their charter, well, let's just say that a lot of schools in Wisconsin wouldn't have Greek systems anymore.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by KEPike
They don't, and I'd venture to say that the vast majority of NIC Fraternities and most sororities too do not either (at least on an inter/national basis). The reason behind this is simple implementation. Each year, there are more than 10,000 undergraduate members of PiKA and the cost and time associated with implementing a total diversity/sensitivity training program would be too great.

As others have mentioned, I'd be all for having this chapter go through diversity/sensitivity training. I've been through some in my undergrad years and it has helped me to understand where others are coming from.

If they really are a bad chapter, then Pike needs to look at revoking their charter. Although I seriously doubt that asshole-ish behavior and racial insensitivity will get their charter revoked.

I meant a program specifically for risk management...not necessarily something that all chapters participate in all the time. If there were a standard program that chapters could use, it might be easier and quicker to deal with these situations.

[deuika]

If these idiots want to run around in Black face they deserve some type of punishment. Reprimanded, perhaps suspended, but let them keep their charter. The true punishment will be this ugly incident hanging over the heads of the chapter for the rest of its existence. Let a fool marinate in his own stupidity.

[Colonist]

Wow political correctness strikes again... These guys behaved like idiots and made a stupid mistake. This does not warrant any action from their national, nor the school. What is being done to them is ridiculous.

But, of course, the University President, plays to the liberals and interest groups, and goes overboard. Hopefully the PIKE chapter will get this resolved.

As for sensitivity/diversity training...what a waste of time and money.

Oh, yeah and as for a "forum/discussion" that they all walked out of, I'd wager that they walked into a firestorm of crying, whining, and bitching, and that the whole thing was stacked against them with no balance.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Colonist
As for sensitivity/diversity training...what a waste of time and money.

wow

[starang21]

Originally posted by Colonist
As for sensitivity/diversity training...what a waste of time and money.

you're right..no amount of time and money could erase such stupidity such as this post.

[Kevin]

I agree that in this case, sensativity training is a waste. If the University's administration feeling like you shouldn't be there anymore is the result of you doing something and you can't come to the conclusion that maybe you shouldn't do that... well you're just pretty thick. The taxpayers' money is spent better elsewhere.

These threads are always pretty predictable though. First, we always have the predictable reaction from liberals (who are usually pro-free speech when it makes them feel good) that these guys should be banned from campus, throw 'em in jail and lock away the key... (screw the constitution).

Then there are those that say, yeah, it was wrong, but stupidity is an American right. It's a public institution. The school can't do anything -- and shouldn't. It's all up to the private organization that governs this group.

There's also a third group that debates whether anyone should actually be getting bent out of shape over blackface. They seem to feel that it's 2004 and it's high time that we stopped walking on eggshells in regards to racial 'sensativity'.

Those are pretty much the battle lines... I've never seen anyone agree with someone from another group... We have the same conversation every couple of weeks or so... Y'all can check back to a previous blackface incident if you care what I think

In regards to this thread, it's 7 pages of people repeating themselves for the umpteenth time.

As far as the whole Compton debate, I'd just like to say that rap music and black cultural icons in America have done waaay more to villify that area than any news media organization could ever do. Average folks around the US don't watch CNN, but they do watch BET, MTV, etc... That's where they'll form their opinions about Compton.

[LatinaAlumna]

Originally posted by ktsnake

These threads are always pretty predictable though.

Perhaps we wouldn't keep having these threads if people would learn how to conduct themselves properly and not in a manner that offends most decent people.

As far as the whole Compton debate, I'd just like to say that rap music and black cultural icons in America have done waaay more to villify that area than any news media organization could ever do. Average folks around the US don't watch CNN, but they do watch BET, MTV, etc... That's where they'll form their opinions about Compton.

It's nice that you feel you are a spokesperson for "Average Folks Around the US," but I like to give people A LITTLE more credit than that. I see a lot of Caucasian people acting crazy and stupid on MTV (pick any show), but I certainly don't form my opinions about Caucasians on it. Come on! Most people can separate "TV Land" from "Reality."

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by ktsnake
As far as the whole Compton debate, I'd just like to say that rap music and black cultural icons in America have done waaay more to villify that area than any news media organization could ever do.

What black cultural icons are you speaking of?????

[33girl]

I'm not sure who, but I think what he means is Black POP cultural icons.

Cultural icons to me would be Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, etc.

And as far as diversity training...you can lead a horse to water, etc. etc.

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by 33girl
I'm not sure who, but I think what he means is Black POP cultural icons.

Cultural icons to me would be Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, etc.

And as far as diversity training...you can lead a horse to water, etc. etc.

Well he would need to be more specific then b/c you and I are on the same page when it comes to our definitions of cultural icons.

[GeekyPenguin]

Somebody that makes Compton look bad: Snoop Dogg. Dr. Dre.

There's two off the top of my head. We don't make judgments on all AfAm people based on that - just on Compton. I personally think it would be HILARIOUS if an NPHC frat held a party making fun of snotty white people.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I personally think it would be HILARIOUS if an NPHC frat held a party making fun of snotty white people.

That's horribly anti-fraternal! The NPHC org would be estranging itself from so many other great orgs instead of supporting Greek Unity.

By the way, Snoop and Dre are the "stage characters" not the real people. If we, as a viewing audience, would dig just a little, we'd see who these men really are. Snoop is married with children, for heaven's sake! Most performers are NOT what they portray on stage. They give us what we want so we are really to "blame" for the propagation of the hip-hop subculture (as well as all other music driven subcultures).

*Edited to correct spelling*

[Lady Pi Phi]

Hijack here

But Snoop Dogg is not someone anyone should look up to nor judge people based on his actions.
Just because Snoop Dogg is married with children doesn't make him a good person/role model.
His exploitation of women is enough to disgust me. And the women who let hom lead them around on leashes are jut as much at fault as he is.

Snoop Dogg can make anything look bad.

hijack/