Deport the Illegals!!

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Yeah, I agreed with you in the post before your last. Still, in a perfect world...

Which this one will never be, of course.

Hi I'm like you.

I can write small just like you!

-Rudey
--Splendid!

[DeltAlum]

cool

[Munchkin03]

I think folks are suffering from NIMBY around here, and that's preventing them from having an objective viewpoint.

Hell must have frozen over (it's cold enough), 'cause this isn't the first time this week I've agreed with Rudey.

[Tom Earp]

First, how many illegal Canadians are sneaking into the US?

Second, the problems can be solved by invading Mexico and having it become part of the US!

Ship our Oil, Water, Electricity, Law Inforcement, and Poloticians there to really straighten out Mexico!

I just love the fact that a VW plant is finally stopping production of the 1970s model VW!

Try to find something made in the USA! My plastic sacks and pipe screens are made in China! Hell, we dont even get along with them!

[enlightenment06]

I'm still amazed that I agree with Rudey's sentiments

[AlphaFrog]

Ok, I have to jump in for just 1 comment:

I still think even if employers had to offer Mexicans full benefits/salaries etc, I still think may of them would still hire Mexican becase Americans are LAZY! Yes, we are, most Americans are LAZY! (Yes, I know I said it twice)

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
I still think even if employers had to offer Mexicans full benefits/salaries etc, I still think may of them would still hire Mexican becase Americans are LAZY! Yes, we are, most Americans are LAZY! (Yes, I know I said it twice)

Yes, Americans are terribly lazy.

The way I see it, if someone who came to this country illegally is willing to do the work native-born Americans shirk at, they should receive the benefits of working. I worked near a hotel one summer, and the cleaning people were illegal immigrants (they came here from the Czech Republic), and they did work that the citizens did not want to do.

[Rudey]

Considering the fact that Americans work harder than any other nation when it comes to jobs and surpass the Japanese easily now, the fact that anyone can say Americans are lazy shows they are not only uneducated and ignorant but plain ol' retarded.

Replace Americans with Mexicans and let's see who screams racism.

-Rudey
--Stupid comments.

[wrigley]

First I'd like to thank dzrose93 because if you hadn't cleaned out your mailbox I would not have read all of this. With your situation, have you tried going to the Dept. of Housing or Building and Zoning? If people have been renting out their homes without getting proper permits,property is in disrepair, or you see more people coming out of the house than a clown car at the circus report the property owners. I don't know how it works in Atlanta but for the city of Chicago and Cook County there are buidling inspectors who come out to properties and check to make sure situations like this don't occur. They can and will impose fines, court costs, and in extreme cases seizure of property. My parents are in real estate and I've shared the joy of screening prospective tenants, and having to explain why exactly we don't rent a one bedroom to a party of seven. Good luck.

Rudey, let me say that your posts on page 6 are right on the money. If I knew how to post quotes, I would have used yours.

Since Bush has announced this incentive program for illegals, I'm not happy. Local TV news featured local city Latin American alderman and an illegal Mexican teenager whining why she's not allowed to go the college of her choice because of her illegal status. WTF?? INS should have snatched her up and sent her back to her original country. Game over. Chicago Sun-Times featured a story about how illegal elderly Russians immigrants anmesty time is running out to become American citizens by a certain date or risk deportation. The complaint is the test is too hard and learning English is difficult. Can't figure it out? Here's a one way ticket expenses paid. I don't care if an illegal came from north,south, east, west by plane,train, or automobile if you are here illegally, I don't care if you don't want to go home but you sure as hell aren't staying here.

My parents immigrated to the United States in 1967. Because of the quota system in place, they had to wait two years before they could enter this country. Back then you had to have a sponsor. There was a government background check done on the sponsor. They would be financially responsible for you until you obtained employment. They became American citizens. They learned to speak English. My parents worked very hard for what they have today.In the beginning they worked at jobs no one wanted but they were legally. Legal immigrants are what made this country what is today. If you have an opportunity, you should go to a swearing in ceremony for new citizens, it's amazing.To live here is a priveledge(sp?) not a right.

The government has gotten very lax on who gets to come here. Not every country is as permissive as the United States. I say bring back the quota system, sponsorship requirements, stricter visa requirements for who is allowed to visit this country, temporarily work here and for foreign students who want to study here.

If companies were given extreme economic penalties and have the CEO's serve long jail sentences, they would think twice about advertising to illegals across the border.

And for whoever said Americans are lazy, there are just as many lazy American born as there are any other ethnic background. And for whoever applauded just the Mexicans, there is such a majority that are here who refuse to learn English. Some of them know they don't want to become American citizens. They want to work here temporarily so they don't bother. It is such a circumstance that public signs are written in English and Mexican only, bilingual classes are created exclusively for their children in public schools, and other perks are given to them that aren't for any other ethnic background. If you're going to do that for one ethnic group then equal the playing field and do it for all.

[madmax]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
Yes, Americans are terribly lazy.

The way I see it, if someone who came to this country illegally is willing to do the work native-born Americans shirk at, they should receive the benefits of working. I worked near a hotel one summer, and the cleaning people were illegal immigrants (they came here from the Czech Republic), and they did work that the citizens did not want to do.

Amerians are not too lazy to do the work. They just don't want to do the work for $1.75 per hour and then share a bed with 10 guys named Jose. Who do you think did those jobs before the illegals got here?

[adduncan]

IMHO, people might be getting upset about this proposal a little too early.
One of my web clients is an immigration attorney. She had me put the following up last night:

As you might be aware, yesterday President Bush proposed a temporary worker program that would be open to new foreign workers and to the undocumented men and women currently employed in the U.S.
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This is a brief summary of what this new proposed legislation is and is not:

· This is simply a conceptual proposition made by the President to Congress;
· The President has not presented this proposition in writing to the Congress;
· Congress has not approved this proposition;
· Congress must draft this proposition and present it to the president for his approval and signature;
· There is no written bill;
· THIS IS NOT A LAW;
· There is no Guest Worker Program in place at this time;
· This is NOT an amnesty.

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The above is an excerpt. You can see the whole thing here:
http://www.anayancyimmigration.com/notice1_9_04.htm

The thought of just throwing away the penalties for illegal *anything* (immigration or whatever) gives me the heebie-jeebies. But I don't think it's time to panic just yet......

Adrienne

[mullet81]

Originally posted by wrigley

Since Bush has announced this incentive program for illegals, I'm not happy. Local TV news featured local city Latin American alderman and an illegal Mexican teenager whining why she's not allowed to go the college of her choice because of her illegal status. WTF?? INS should have snatched her up and sent her back to her original country. Game over. Chicago Sun-Times featured a story about how illegal elderly Russians immigrants anmesty time is running out to become American citizens by a certain date or risk deportation. The complaint is the test is too hard and learning English is difficult. Can't figure it out? Here's a one way ticket expenses paid. I don't care if an illegal came from north,south, east, west by plane,train, or automobile if you are here illegally, I don't care if you don't want to go home but you sure as hell aren't staying here.

OMG i think i love you. mostly b/c your name is wrigley and that means you obviously love the cubs but also because you just said EXACTLY what i was thinking, only better.

i totally cosign this!!

[AlphaSigOU]

Originally posted by wrigley
...It is such a circumstance that public signs are written in English and Mexican only, bilingual classes are created exclusively for their children in public schools, and other perks are given to them that aren't for any other ethnic background. If you're going to do that for one ethnic group then equal the playing field and do it for all.

Agree with you 100%, but one correction needs to be made:

Ahem... there is NO such language as Mexican - it's Spanish with a Mexican accent/dialect! I speak fluent Spanish (with a Venezuelan accent/dialect) and have a hard time understanding the Mexican dialect (especially the northern Mexican one, which is the equivalent of our Southern accent, really thick.)

[Kevin]

Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Agree with you 100%, but one correction needs to be made:

Ahem... there is NO such language as Mexican - it's Spanish with a Mexican accent/dialect! I speak fluent Spanish (with a Venezuelan accent/dialect) and have a hard time understanding the Mexican dialect (especially the northern Mexican one, which is the equivalent of our Southern accent, really thick.)

To be fair, they get these perks because our educational system is fairly well-grounded in reality. How often do they get students that speak russian, french, etc.? Many Americans are bilingual with Spanish, so these folks can be accomodated. In the school district that I'm in here in Oklahoma, they have ESL classes for all non-english speakers before they get to go to regular school.

If a Mexican immigrant wants to receive an education and become a productive, tax paying citizen, I'm all for it. When about 80-90% of your immigrants come for one place you just have to treat the situation differently.

Now as far as accomodations for ILLEGAL immigrants. Hell, as soon as anyone find you're illegal, you're on the bus back home in my opinion. Allowing these kids to use our schools or any other public service is a damned crime against society.

[Honeykiss1974]

Embracing Illegals

By Brian Grow, with Adrienne Carter and Roger O. Crockett in Chicago and Geri Smith in Mexico City
BusinessWeek Online

Companies are getting hooked on the buying power of 11 million undocumented immigrants.

Inez and Antonio Valenzuela are a marketer's dream. Young, upwardly mobile, and ready to spend on their growing family, the Los Angeles couple in many ways reflects the 42 million Hispanics in the U.S. Age 30 and 29, respectively, with two daughters, Esmeralda, 8, and Maria Luisa, 2 months, the duo puts in long hours, working 4 p.m. to 2 a.m., six days a week, at their bustling streetside taco trailer. From a small sidewalk stand less than two years ago, they built the business into a hot destination for hungry commuters. The Valenzuelas (not their real name) bring in revenue well above the U.S. household average of $43,000, making them a solidly middle-class family that any U.S. consumer-products company would love to reach.

But Inez and Antonio aren't your typical American consumers. They're undocumented immigrants who live and work in the U.S. illegally. When the couple, along with Esmeralda, crossed the Mexican border five years ago, they had little money, no jobs, and lacked basic documents such as Social Security numbers. Guided by friends and family, the couple soon discovered how to navigate the increasingly above-ground world of illegal residency. At the local Mexican consulate, the Valenzuelas each signed up for an identification card known as a matrícula consular, for which more than half the applicants are undocumented immigrants, according to the Pew Hispanic center, a Washington think tank. Scores of financial institutions now accept it for bank accounts, credit cards, and car loans. Next, they applied to the Internal Revenue Service for individual tax identification numbers (ITINS), allowing them to pay taxes like any U.S. citizen -- and thereby to eventually get a home mortgage.

Today, companies large and small eagerly cater to the Valenzuelas -- regardless of their status. In 2003 they paid $11,000 for a used Ford Motor Co. van plus $70,000 more for a gleaming new 30-foot trailer that now serves as headquarters and kitchen for their restaurant. A local car dealer gave them a loan for the van based only on Antonio's matrícula card and his Mexican driver's license. Verizon Communications Inc. also accepted his matrícula when he signed up for cell-phone service. So did a Wells Fargo & Co. branch in the predominantly Hispanic neighborhood in northeast Los Angeles where they live. Having a bank account allows them to pay bills by check and build up their savings. Their goal: to trade up from a one-bedroom rental to their own home. Eventually, they also hope to expand their business by buying several more trailers. Matrícula holders like the Valenzuelas are "bringing us all the money that has been under the mattress," says Wells Fargo branch manager Steven Contreraz.


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