Shocked & Disgusted - Page 7

Munchkin03 · #91 11-06-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ZTAMich

As per your nephew's teacher -I would take a different spin on the people who don't like Obama. I'd tell the kids that grown ups have a choice (i'm all about choices with my class) If you don't like Obama don't vote for him. But once the election is over I believe it is our job as Americans to support whoever is in power (i'm also all about respect for others).

Yeah, I think she was at her wit's end with that situation, and apparently the kids are much more respectful now. But "babykillers"? They're 7!

OneTimeSBX · #92 11-06-2008, 11:17 PM

i babysat this young man, he is 16 now, i call him mom my white aunt and love their family dearly...this is what his myspace bulletin said today...

"I just want to straight up know why some people in this US are so stupid. Seriously f*cking tell me now. Why the hell would you want Obama to be president. Give me you're f*cking reasons. B/C I've done my research, ALOT, and OBAMA cannot be trusted. I'm just can't beleive people are so stupid"

its the parents faults. and i dont blame his parents, i blame the rednecks in the completely white school he attends...

KSig RC · #93 11-06-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamfulSpirit

I was quite appalled at some of my friends facebook statuses as well:

-welcomes everyone to the USSA: United Socialist States of America.

-THIS COUNTRY IS F-ED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-well country, it's been nice knowing ya, welcome to the change of socialism.

While these are stupid, they're not even from the same planet as the actually offensive prejudice shown earlier in the thread - and that's even accounting for racial bias in the overreaction to any specter of 'wealth redistribution'.

AKA_Monet · #94 11-07-2008, 12:21 AM

You know, I am exhausted with the judgment calls made about folks who are enacting their right to freely express themselves. Although I feel exuberant about President Obama's win, I would not restrict a person's right to say a comment contrary to my buzzed Pres Obama high...

If I felt similar to these people, I probably would not describe my anger, frustration, fear and hatred in the terminology they did. It elicits the reasons behind their insecurities. And if they are doing it on Facebook, it probably means most of them are under 40--suggesting their youthful indiscretion.

Just because someone posts personal angst, does mean we have to read it, respond to it or be in "their" misery of their words...

This tactile response psychology is similar to substance abuse and addiction...

What are we going to do for our future? There are worse problem out there to tackle than what the Electorate chose as their leader... We must be unified in our response. How will we get there?

DaemonSeid · #95 11-07-2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OtterXO

I don't agree. If the black candidate vs white candidate was never an option before in the general election then the race of a candidate wouldn't have been a factor. If two white guys were running then their "whiteness" (for lack of a better term) would cancel itself out since it was on both sides of the coin. So those who were already voting would vote anyway without considering the race of the candidate as a factor.

Additionally, I wasn't saying anyone was afraid of a white president. I was just saying that it's the same decision to vote for someone because they're white OR to vote for someone because they're black. I don't think one is morally better than the other.

If?

Isn't that usually how it is?

In this case race was a factor but moreso, was how seriously he could be taken...obviously he was taken very seriously.

christiangirl · #96 11-07-2008, 12:30 AM

The facebook statuses I've seen are a little salty, but not openly racist. I only see the statuses of people on my friends list and they KNOW they don't dare put something racist up knowing full well I'll see it. They are bitter and hater-ish, but not openly racist. Mostly, they refer to him as an "anti-Christ" "Communist" and a "baby-killer."

That's bad, but not like the other stuff I've heard from strangers who don't care about my feelings.

Like the white guys at the gas station who were raving about how the country's going to the dog's because "that stupid n******'s coming into office." Or the nurse at my job who said "the two names together sound like 'osama bin laden' why on earth would I vote for that?" Mostly, it's the comments on Youtube under Obama videos, such as (edited for content):

"THIS DUMB N****R!"

"F*** OBAMA BITCHEz STUPID N****R SHOULD GO BACK TO DA COTTON FIELDz"

"f888 n*****s. i can't wait to see this f******g country burn to the ground with this dumba** coon as president."

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

"remember obama becareful with having dreams cause remember the last black guy who had a dream.. he got shot lol "

"F*** obama, a N***** AS PRESIDENT? Watch that b***h is getting assassinated "

AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

DaemonSeid · #97 11-07-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

and what is a bit ironic about that is when they (as usual) have been both white, people got some bad results from both....heh!

The internet is a wonderful place to say things that you don't dare say aloud in front of folks....so I am not surprised that a lot of this is going to be happening for the next 4 to 8 years.

Love that last statement...you don't wait on something that you should already have that you desperately deserve,especially when the rest of the world is already doing it.

AKA_Monet · #98 11-07-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

The facebook statuses I've seen are a little salty, but not openly racist. I only see the statuses of people on my friends list and they KNOW they don't dare put something racist up knowing full well I'll see it. They are bitter and hater-ish, but not openly racist. Mostly, they refer to him as an "anti-Christ" "Communist" and a "baby-killer."

That's bad, but not like the other stuff I've heard from strangers who don't care about my feelings.

Like the white guys at the gas station who were raving about how the country's going to the dog's because "that stupid n******'s coming into office." Or the nurse at my job who said "the two names together sound like 'osama bin laden' why on earth would I vote for that?" Mostly, it's the comments on Youtube under Obama videos, such as (edited for content):

"THIS DUMB N****R!"

"F*** OBAMA BITCHEz STUPID N****R SHOULD GO BACK TO DA COTTON FIELDz"

"f888 n*****s. i can't wait to see this f******g country burn to the ground with this dumba** coon as president."

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

"remember obama becareful with having dreams cause remember the last black guy who had a dream.. he got shot lol "

"F*** obama, a N***** AS PRESIDENT? Watch that b***h is getting assassinated "

AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

Nevertheless, if MLK fought and died for anything, he taught us once you remove the reading of words from your active psyche, and respond from a place of serenity and peace... Then the reading of ugliness means nothing.

It takes a high mind and a high place to keep your cool... That is what President Obama is asking people like us to do. We have to love one another--even if they hate us and say they are a Christian.

To add: BTW, I KNOW this actions to take, but I have to work on this kind of stuff too... It has taken me 40 years to get to acknowledge that point...

fantASTic · #99 11-07-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

i babysat this young man, he is 16 now, i call him mom my white aunt and love their family dearly...this is what his myspace bulletin said today...

"I just want to straight up know why some people in this US are so stupid. Seriously f*cking tell me now. Why the hell would you want Obama to be president. Give me you're f*cking reasons. B/C I've done my research, ALOT, and OBAMA cannot be trusted. I'm just can't beleive people are so stupid"

its the parents faults. and i dont blame his parents, i blame the rednecks in the completely white school he attends...

Wow. You do realize, right, that there is no reason for you to take that as ANYTHING other than he disagrees with his policies?

That's YOUR prejudice coming through, not his.

DrPhil · #**100** 11-07-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

That is what President Obama is asking people like us to do.

OBAMA is asking that of us or he's just building off of what many of us have been taught all of our lives regarding ignorance?

The latter.

The same goes for MLK's "teachings." Black folks had been turning the other cheek and silently protesting decades before MLK was relevant. He was simply able to mobilize blacks and the rest of the nation toward peaceful change, which is different from believing he actually taught us about the power and meaning of words.

And this isn't about being a Christian or even about hate or hateful people. It's simply about what humans do when they feel threatened for whatever reasons. That's what the racist structure is about.

AKA_Monet · #**101** 11-07-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

OBAMA is asking that of us or he's just building off of what many of us have been taught all of our lives regarding ignorance?

The latter.

The same goes for MLK's "teachings." Black folks had been turning the other cheek and silently protesting decades before MLK was relevant. He was simply able to mobilize blacks and the rest of the nation toward peaceful change, which is different from believing he actually taught us about the power and meaning of words.

And this isn't about being a Christian or even about hate or hateful people. It's simply about what humans do when they feel threatened for whatever reasons. That's what the racist structure is about.

Well, what do you think President Obama asked us to do based on his acceptance speech? We all have different perspectives of how President Obama's words resonated with us. We can get caught in the semantics or we can take effective and meaningful actions.

President Obama also said that it is going to take awhile to do what we have to do on the same page, in one accord.

I beg to differ about the Christian behavior displayed by those who posted "F*** the N******" Why would an Chinese national want to use those words when it is inherent in their culture not to manifest personal hatreds and anger? No, if anything, these comments were made by a person of African descent living in American whose ancestors were slaves... They were just a extreme McCain/Palin supporters.

And what is racist structure? I think that racism is inherently a neuropsychological pathology--much like multi-symptomatic mixed-episode schizo-affective disorder with a substance addiction... Or like dysthymia...

Are you saying a racist structure is a fabrication in their mind?

christiangirl · #**102** 11-07-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I think that racism is inherently a neuropsychological pathology--much like multi-symptomatic mixed-episode schizo-affective disorder with a substance addiction... Or like dysthymia...

Could you please explain that one a little further?

DrPhil · #**103** 11-07-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Well, what do you think President Obama asked us to do based on his acceptance speech?

He asked us to do what many of us would've done had he not said it.

Don't give this man credit for stuff he doesn't deserve credit for. He's a great orator but I really hope there aren't people who were going to act a fool and decide not to because "Obama asked us...."

DrPhil · #**104** 11-07-2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

Could you please explain that one a little further?

Yikes......

Racism isn't a "sickness" or a "pathology." LOL. That's what people said a decade and more ago when they were still trying to understand racism as "bad people who say and do bad things that frighten and hurt people." That's why fools were focusing on tolerance and sensitivity training to "cure racism." If folks only learned about other people, they'd be nicer and racism would fall apart, right? No, so fools were baffled when people had their tolerance certification and were self-proclaimed "good people who don't hate anyone because we're all God's creatures" but there was STILL racism. How could that be? LOL...that's because racism is a structure that has permeated institutions and is reinforced through individual actions and structural processes.

That's why I don't call PEOPLE racist because a lot of people think that's about a pathology of "bad people." Instead, you can be the most loving person in the world and reinforce the racist structure and you can be the most hateful person in the world and reinforce the racist structure. It's about sense of group threat and racial identity processes. THAT is what American history, including this election and social issues such as welfare and immigration, has taught us. Self-proclaimed "good people" and "Godly people" suddenly turned crazily intolerant to defend what they considered to be their turf and their resources.

DrPhil · #**105** 11-07-2008, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

And what is racist structure? I think that racism is inherently a neuropsychological pathology--much like multi-symptomatic mixed-episode schizo-affective disorder with a substance addiction... Or like dysthymia...

Are you saying a racist structure is a fabrication in their mind?

I'm just noticing this. I come from the racism-as-structure school of thought. The notion of racism as structure contradicts this psychoanalytical stuff because the latter is curable through therapy and is about individual behavior.

...unless you're arguing that there is a potential interaction between addictions and behavior disorders and the racist structure. That has been found in the literature regarding individual-level behaviors. But we're talking about the racist structure which doesn't require an individual-level pathology for it to operate and for ALL of us to reinforce it. However, "pathological society" has been used in the literature to characterize a society with structural inequalities.