The Medical Thread - Page 7

nikki1920 · #91 02-20-2008, 06:29 PM

Just to interject: the VT killer WAS under a court order to receive counseling but that order was never enforced or followed up on.

One size does not fit all, each person suffers with *insert issue here* differently and what works for one may not work for another and vice versa.

AKA_Monet · #92 02-20-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nikki1920

Just to interject: the VT killer WAS under a court order to receive counseling but that order was never enforced or followed up on.

One size does not fit all, each person suffers with *insert issue here* differently and what works for one may not work for another and vice versa.

Then the question becomes, is the university responsible for an adults actions, no matter if he is in his "right mind" or not? If that be the case, plenty of us would not be "allowed" to have a college education and may have been forced to pursue a field less that our aptitude...

cheerfulgreek · #93 02-22-2008, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

If you could give me some of the references for that I would greatly appreciate it!

Well, that is the issue about college... People do not HAVE TO GO TO college for special treatments, because ultimately, it is a choice to go. Where as PUBLIC EDUCATION is not a choice for young people under 18 years old... I do agree that all universities and colleges should improve their student services and do better outreach for the success of the student. But, there are nearly 20,000+ or more with commuters, and not everyone can be watched, nor do the colleges want to get into the business of that. Otherwise, it is just as institutional as prisons.

The VT killer should have been at a place were he could obtain support that he needed to be optimal for his successful function... But that still lays it squarely on the sufferer which also does not help the grieving families...

Do you think a "one size fits all" can help in these kinds of cases?

References? lol. wow AKA_Monet, you are so detailed.

I watched this on CNN shortly after the shootings.

What do you mean when you say "one size fits all?"

AKA_Monet · #94 02-22-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

References? lol. wow AKA_Monet, you are so detailed.

I watched this on CNN shortly after the shootings.

What do you mean when you say "one size fits all?"

The VT shooter is obviously a different person than the NIU shooter. They may have had similar diagnoses - I don't know? I think like you said, the VT was "severely emotionally disturbed", there are rules in place upto high school. You said the universities should have these rules in place. I said it would be nice, but going to college is still an option for people... One can pursue military, one can persue voctech school, one can get certificates, so on and so forth. How did these gentlemen get admitted into college with all its pressures and flip out like they did? Were they antagonized? What?

Chit, I was hella humiliated in my graduate school program with racism and sexism, angry to scratch the wall off, but NEVER did it run through my mind to physically hurt someone, even after my boss stinky breath yelled at me on a daily basis... Never. What I endured, no student should have to endure. I did because of insane reasons. But, it seems plausible that these gentlemen could not endure if their circumstances were as bad as folks say they were...

Of course now, it is water under the bridge...

I think I heard or read somewhere that the NIU lunatic stopped taking his meds because it made him a zombie. Very few psychotropic meds do that - chiefly the anti-psychotics - putting him at risk of possible traumatic experiences, or schizophrenia. All I am saying is, once those drug effects "wore off", if it was schizophrenia, the hallucinations, if he had them, restarted; but that's pure speculation.

So, ceremoniously saying the all folks with mental illness have restricted freedoms is a "one size fits all", when that is not the case.

But, there are firearm restrictions on the mentally ill that is by honor system only. Like there is a box or bubble you select to answer the question, have you ever been institutionalized in mental healthcare system? Homie at NIU marked "NO"... So he lied...

AOII Angel · #95 02-22-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Oh dear GOD!!!!! I am so embarrassed!!

Rubella, Rubella, Rubella!! I seriously thought it was "rumbella". (giggling) Thanks?

Well, you guys knew what I meant. Right?

o.k. you guys may be right, there is little evidence that vaccines cause autism, but it is possible that vaccines trigger autism in a small subset of children, but if so, that subset has yet to be identified. A study really was done in the 90s that investigated 12 children, and the study did reveal that symptoms of autism did emerge shortly after the MMR vaccine was given to them.

If it can't be proven that vaccines play a role in the increase of autism, can someone explain why the rates of autism continue to rise? Do you think genetic factors play a role? I honestly don't believe that genetic influences alone can account for such an astronomical rise in a disorder's prevalence over a matter of just a few years. Could environmental factors be a potential explanation? AKA_Monet mentioned something about environmental factors in an earlier post. We were discussing a different topic, but could this also fall under environmental factors?

You have to be very careful when evaluating research on this topic since the main proponent of this theory was revealed to have falsified his data. Re-evaluation revealed no causation.

AKA_Monet · #96 02-22-2008, 11:42 PM

This statement is from the National Institutes of Mental Health website:

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Medications for bipolar disorder are prescribed by psychiatrists—medical doctors (M.D.) with expertise in the diagnosis and treatment of mental disorders. While primary care physicians who do not specialize in psychiatry also may prescribe these medications, it is recommended that people with bipolar disorder see a psychiatrist for treatment.

Some mental illnesses are treated by primary care physicians - but they will give a referral for further evaluation by a mental health care provider.

cheerfulgreek · #97 02-25-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

The VT shooter is obviously a different person than the NIU shooter. They may have had similar diagnoses - I don't know? I think like you said, the VT was "severely emotionally disturbed", there are rules in place upto high school. You said the universities should have these rules in place. I said it would be nice, but going to college is still an option for people... One can pursue military, one can persue voctech school, one can get certificates, so on and so forth. How did these gentlemen get admitted into college with all its pressures and flip out like they did? Were they antagonized? What?

Chit, I was hella humiliated in my graduate school program with racism and sexism, angry to scratch the wall off, but NEVER did it run through my mind to physically hurt someone, even after my boss stinky breath yelled at me on a daily basis... Never. What I endured, no student should have to endure. I did because of insane reasons. But, it seems plausible that these gentlemen could not endure if their circumstances were as bad as folks say they were...

Of course now, it is water under the bridge...

I think I heard or read somewhere that the NIU lunatic stopped taking his meds because it made him a zombie. Very few psychotropic meds do that - chiefly the anti-psychotics - putting him at risk of possible traumatic experiences, or schizophrenia. All I am saying is, once those drug effects "wore off", if it was schizophrenia, the hallucinations, if he had them, restarted; but that's pure speculation.

So, ceremoniously saying the all folks with mental illness have restricted freedoms is a "one size fits all", when that is not the case.

But, there are firearm restrictions on the mentally ill that is by honor system only. Like there is a box or bubble you select to answer the question, have you ever been institutionalized in mental healthcare system? Homie at NIU marked "NO"... So he lied...

Then I guess I think one size fits all. Yes, anyone can lie, but for those who have been treated, then there should be restrictions.

cheerfulgreek · #98 02-25-2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You have to be very careful when evaluating research on this topic since the main proponent of this theory was revealed to have falsified his data. Re-evaluation revealed no causation.

What data was falsified? He was sick, and needed help.

cheerfulgreek · #99 02-25-2008, 02:18 AM

Call me weird, but I just bought a tarantula a couple of days ago. I used to have one years ago and if they lose a leg, it usually, if not always grows back after molting. Infact, there's several species in the animal kingdom that can regenerate lost body parts, and when this happens (usually in lizards) the epidermal cells around the wound migrate in to close it without creating scar tissue. The different cell types revert to stem cells in order to form a blastema that will later turn into a new limb and so on. In humans, like the human heart, it forms a scar after a heart attack rather than new muscle, and every year people die from complications related to scarring. What about the human finger, when it's kept clean and unstitched? It can grow back. Do you think scientist can develop something to regenerate body parts? What about cloning body parts?

Kappamd · #**100** 02-29-2008, 01:15 AM

For those of you in medical school,
How many schools did you apply to? Did you apply to any considered "out-of-state?" I've been researching and all the schools I've looked at make it seem as though if you are from out of state, you have little to no chance of even being interviewed, let alone being admitted. I go to school in Ohio and we have our fair share of medical schools, so it would be nice to know if I should focus my efforts or here or look elsewhere.

SoEnchanting · #**101** 03-01-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kappamd

For those of you in medical school,
How many schools did you apply to? Did you apply to any considered "out-of-state?" I've been researching and all the schools I've looked at make it seem as though if you are from out of state, you have little to no chance of even being interviewed, let alone being admitted. I go to school in Ohio and we have our fair share of medical schools, so it would be nice to know if I should focus my efforts or here or look elsewhere.

I applied to all four in-state medical schools, and 5 out-of-state schools. Of the out of state schools, I interviewed at 3 and got accepted to 2. Although these schools may have a slight preference for in-state applicants, I didn't feel as though I was at that much of a disadvantage because I was out-of-state. Many of the people I interviewed with were out-of-state as well.

If you are trying to leave Ohio, then you should apply to more out of state schools. You just need to make sure that the out-of-state schools you are applying to are 1. not state schools and 2. accept out-of-state students. If I were you, I'd apply to Ohio schools as well just as a back-up.

P.S. Good luck to you!

BigRedBeta · #**102** 03-01-2008, 12:07 PM

I applied to 7 which was definitely on the low side. And I only finished secondaries to four...

Knowing what I know now, I know that's way LOW. It didn't hurt me (I only interviewed at my top two, turning down an interview for my third choice, and withdrawing from my 4th when I got accepted to my top two within a week of each other.) but it's not a good way to go for most everyone else.

You should apply to out of state publics for sure. While there is a certainly some major in-state advantages, very few schools are entirely limited to only in-state residents (though some are - like Arizona). I'm most familiar with Kansas and Nebraska and both admit about 15-20% of their class from OOS, depending on the year. Nebraska (my school) even has tuition waivers for OOS students, so you only end up paying in-state tuition. Not all the OOS students get one for their first years, but most have them by the second, and all by the third year. That's a BIG deal. I definitely remember getting my $100k phone call letting me know that I was only going to have to pay in-state for the four years.

Your efforts should definitely be focused on your in-state schools - apply to all of them, because that's where you have the best chance of getting in, but it doesn't make any sense to limit yourself to those only. I'd look in in either the MSAR and the USNWR for the GPA and MCAT scores of the entering classes from the year previous. As an OOS student, you need to make sure that you're above average. I have a friend who uses a self created "index score" (it might be on SDN) as a good measure of how your grades and MCAT score line up. Basically it's GPA x10 + MCAT, so the highest possible score is an 85, but obviously that's unattainable. But if a school has a 3.6 avg GPA and a 31 MCAT, that's a 67, and the formula, though slightly crude weighs things pretty well. I agree with my friends assessment that a .1 point in GPA is about the same as a point on the MCAT. He's since gone on to include modifiers for race (because that does play such a huge role in med school admissions) and a couple other things, but the general formula still works.

So when applying out of state, definitely go for it if there's a school who matches your index and you're interested in attending (that's a big part obviously). You won't wow them if you're on the mark, but hopefully you can get an interview and wow them then. If you are significantly above their index, then it's a no brainer. You should apply.

Obviously, private schools need to be part of your list as well. Some may give a slight in-state advantage but no where near as large as many state schools.

SoEnchanting · #**103** 03-02-2008, 10:30 PM

Oh man BigRedBeta that IM shelf was TERRIBLE! Check your email later LOL...

BigRedBeta · #**104** 03-03-2008, 11:16 PM

I'm looking forward to hearing about it...I'm currently starting to freak about our OSCE...

blackngoldengrl · #**105** 03-10-2008, 03:10 PM

Definitely apply to out of state schools, espeically if: they are close to you or in your region (PA, IN, KY, IA, MI?), they are private, or if your undergrad sends people there every year or often enough. Also, it's money- they'll get more from you than from an in-stater. Private schools aren't bound by state residency, so it's all about you.

(I'll put in a personal plug for Maryland (

). I know that we take a good percentage of students from out of state, and depending on your credentials, they can provide decent money to offset the difference in tuition.)

I applied to Cincy b/c I thought it looked good on paper and the secondary app. was cheap! I ended up getting in, despite being from out of state, which I thought was cool b/c their instate percentage was >90%.

And one more thing..."KappaMD" made me think you already had a degree. Don't jinx yourself

Good luck!