Fifty things you didn't know about John McCain

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by jon1856

And as pointed out, only 6 were career. The rest were time of war. And look at the time frames covered by most of those and the type of war.
In current day pool of candidates, one will more likely see a MBA than a career military, let alone extended service time.
And just being in a military branch, does not of and by itself give nor provide great enlightenment to all knowledge.
My Uncle more of less agrees with General Sherman-told me awhile ago that all war does is waste good men.

Me,if one was going to use only one rule, I would much rather see a very smart, sharp business person. And have them rely on Professional Military for advise.

And out of your 31, how many did you know served?
And how many where in combat?
How many said anything in great detail about it?
Did you know that Ford saved his carrier?
LBJ was a staff officer who Johnson's biographer, Robert Caro, stated, "The most you can say about Lyndon Johnson and his Silver Star is that it is surely one of the most undeserved Silver Stars in history. Because if you accept everything that he said, he was still in action for no more than 13 minutes and only as an observer. Men who flew many missions, brave men, never got a Silver Star."[15]

What does it matter? The debate was about military experience, now you've done gone and changed the subject, for what reason I'm really not sure, other than you seem to brushing off and cheapening McCain's military record.

Each candidate has strengths that they play too, ya know, I can say I want a good military candidate because he has adviser's and such to handle the money and the other things. It's all about personal opinion, it's just merely stating his military experience, its not saying you should vote for me because I've been in the military. When you fill out a job application, do they not 99% of the time ask you if you were in the military. As a candidate he is obligated to prove why he thinks he would make a good president, he highlights his military experience as I'm sure Obama would had he felt compelled to serve.

The president has adviser's to, what do you know? Advise him on things he might not be familiar with. Obama highlights his strengths, and so does McCain, just so happens for McCain military was one of them.

So take your damn attempt at train wrecking this thread, and move it elsewhere.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by jon1856

My Uncle more of less agrees with General Sherman-told me awhile ago that all war does is waste good men.

Then let's disband the military all together and just let everyone else have free reign on us?

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by nate2512

Then let's disband the military all together and just let everyone else have free reign on us?

General Sherman: "
On June 19, 1879, Sherman delivered his famous "War Is Hell" speech to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy and to the gathered crowd of more than 10,000: "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell."[76]"
And BTB, LBJ used another Sherman statement when he declared that he would not run for re-election.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by jon1856

General Sherman: "
On June 19, 1879, Sherman delivered his famous "War Is Hell" speech to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy and to the gathered crowd of more than 10,000: "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell."[76]"
And BTB, LBJ used another Sherman statement when he declared that he would not run for re-election.

What the hell does that have to with the topic of discussion?

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by nate2512

What the hell does that have to with the topic of discussion?

Just answering you.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Just answering you.

You're changing topics again cause I just pummeled your last thread derailment.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by nate2512

You're changing topics again cause I just pummeled your last thread derailment.

No-but your doing a bang up job in derailing this thread and two others tonight.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by jon1856

No-but your doing a bang up job in derailing this thread and another tonight.

The other one, I'll take credit for. This one was all you.

[KSig RC]

John -

Once again, your post provides no substance beyond a citation. What's your point?

Considering that the overwhelming majority of Presidents have had some sort of military background (the fact that all were during war time is selection bias; the overwhelming majority of ALL military personnel served during those times, and were discharged without becoming "career") should be enough to end your insanely off-topic aside.

Pacifism is fine; anti-war stances are certainly fine. Interjecting that here seems . . . odd.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

No.

Physical and mental health evals have cleared him for all we know.

...for all we KNOW....

and we DO KNOW how much the gov't likes to hide shyte like that until 'later'.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by jon1856

And as pointed out, only 6 were career. The rest were time of war. And look at the time frames covered by most of those and the type of war.
In current day pool of candidates, one will more likely see a MBA than a career military, let alone extended service time.
And just being in a military branch, does not of and by itself give nor provide great enlightenment to all knowledge.
My Uncle more of less agrees with General Sherman-told me awhile ago that all war does is waste good men.

Me,if one was going to use only one rule, I would much rather see a very smart, sharp business person. And have them rely on Professional Military for advise.

And out of your 31, how many did you know served?
And how many where in combat?
How many said anything in great detail about it?
Did you know that Ford saved his carrier?
LBJ was a staff officer who Johnson's biographer, Robert Caro, stated, "The most you can say about Lyndon Johnson and his Silver Star is that it is surely one of the most undeserved Silver Stars in history. Because if you accept everything that he said, he was still in action for no more than 13 minutes and only as an observer. Men who flew many missions, brave men, never got a Silver Star."[15]

You're missing the point here. People are saying that they look at military experience (note, "experience" does not equal "professional military") as a qualification - not "the" qualification. They're saying they look at it as part of the bigger picture, not as the whole picture.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

You're missing the point here. People are saying that they look at military experience (note, "experience" does not equal "professional military") as a qualification - not "the" qualification. They're saying they look at it as part of the bigger picture, not as the whole picture.

I do not think that I am.
If not a career, just what would four years of military experience provide a person beyond other life, work and business experiences?
Just look at our current President; what did his time in service do for him?

I would not call military service an important part of a candidate's resume; just one part of it.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I do not think that I am.
If not a career, just what would four years of military experience provide a person beyond other life, work and business experiences?
Just look at our current President; what did his time in service do for him?

I would not call military service an important part of a candidate's resume; just one part of it.

I would call it important. I would call law or medical school important. Not simply because they provide you with career opportunities, but because it changes the way you interact with other people, it changes how you think about situations.

As someone without first hand military experience, I could certainly be wrong, but I strongly suspect for many, serving alters life in a large way. I don't think it is the overriding factor, but I do think it is significant.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I do not think that I am.
If not a career, just what would four years of military experience provide a person beyond other life, work and business experiences?
Just look at our current President; what did his time in service do for him?

I would not call military service an important part of a candidate's resume; just one part of it.

You're right. Four years of experience in something doesn't mean anything. In fact, college should be a career choice. What can one possibly learn in four years? Especially if you end up as a candidate for a job that include jobduties in your field of study.

Do you see how ridculous your argument is?

I don't get why y'all don't understand that putting 4 years experience in an aspect of a job is beneficial for a candidate - regardless of whether it's 4 years med school for a doctor or 4 years military experience for Commander-in-Chief. We get that it's not the ONLY requirement, and that it's not important to everyone, but y'all are acting like people are crazy for even considering it when placing their vote.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

but y'all are acting like people are crazy for even considering it when placing their vote.

They are crazy if that is THE ONLY thing they consider when voting.

A person's military record should not be the ONLY thing that sells them on especially when they have more recent history serving in government that one should really be looking at to determine if they should want to vote for them.