Cover Causes Controversy - Page 6

MysticCat · #76 08-14-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

OK, with the "couples" example you're getting ridiculous.

No more ridiculous than refraining from nursing a kid because it might be insensitive to some unknown women who recently miscarried or are having trouble conceiving. Pretty darn analogous, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by 33girl

I'm not criticizing the parents who take the kids out, I'm criticizing our stupid society for not doing things that would go a long way to make EVERYONE feel comfortable. . . . The people I'm referring to are those who use no discretion or decorum at all and then think everyone should applaud them for it because OMG THEY REPRODUCED!

I'll agree with you completely here.

DeltAlum · #77 08-14-2006, 01:53 PM

Find the world's most perfect, considerate person (or couple) and he/she will offend someone.

33girl · #78 08-14-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat81

No more ridiculous than refraining from nursing a kid because it might be insensitive to some unknown women who recently miscarried or are having trouble conceiving. Pretty darn analogous, in my opinion.

You can't always tell when two people are a "couple." However, a baby is pretty easily identifiable.

MysticCat · #79 08-14-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

You can't always tell when two people are a "couple." However, a baby is pretty easily identifiable.

Really? I thought you had better observation skills than that. I can always tell .

Besides, don't you know that when you've just been dumped, everyone else has someone, and all two-person groups (or groups are two-person groups) are couples?

f8nacn · #80 08-14-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat81

When we would go out, we didn't take the kids anywhere that wasn't child-friendly to begin with. If we thought nursing might need to occur, we asked for a table where Ms. MysticCat could sit out of up-front view, and she would chose the seat where her back would be to the dining room. She would wear nursing clothes that made it possible to nurse without stripping. And she would use a blanket to give the kid some privacy.

A little common sense from all sides goes a long way.

Best post I've read...I would have to agree...there are ways to "please" the masses while taking care of business!

ZTAMiami · #81 08-14-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Find the world's most perfect, considerate person (or couple) and he/she will offend someone.

Exactly!

As for the infertility issues.....After chatting with many moms about this, not a one has expressed disdain over mothers interacting and caring for their babies in public. They express sadness at being invited to baby showers, birthday parties, and intrusive questions about their plans to conceive, but not at the sight of children and parents in public. I avoid telling my friends and family members who are struggling with infertility about my pregnancy etc. I wait until they ask and then keep it short.

I've been trying to find the words for this.....

What a anti-child society we have become. People are disturbed by a babies cry, laugh, sight. We don't feed them with our breasts, rock them in our arms (we have swings for that), keep them close at night, hold them when they cry..... Once they are out of the womb mothers are encouraged to stay as far away from their baby as possible and told not to use their instincts.

Then we wonder why kids rather spend time in front of the tv and have no dialogue with their parents. We are so incredibly detached from our kids its sickening.

With that said....I was once annoyed by the sound of kids playing outside my window on the weekends, crying babies made the hair on my neck stand on end and I thought a good spanking would solve all problems. I know better now

Drolefille · #82 08-14-2006, 02:44 PM

I think the analogy is apt though. Yes, women who just had a miscarriage, etc. are going to be very very sensitive to things like babies and breast feeding. However, this isn't the breastfeeder's problem. You don't have a right NOT to be offended. Just like if I'm holding hands with my boyfriend, you might be sadened because of a sad breakup, but this is not myfault. I'm not doing it to spite you. (I did just read an article about an infertile woman who went through a phase where even the dog had puppies just to spite her.)

The people who just whip out the boob for feeding time and make a big blatent deal about it are as bad as the people who are about 2 seconds away from having sex in public. But you can't use the extreme to judge the group as a whole.

Side note: I believe in NY it's technically legal for a woman to go topless anywhere a man can. This sort of negates the breast feeding argument there.

33girl · #83 08-14-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ZTAMiami

What a anti-child society we have become. People are disturbed by a babies cry, laugh, sight. We don't feed them with our breasts, rock them in our arms (we have swings for that), keep them close at night, hold them when they cry..... Once they are out of the womb mothers are encouraged to stay as far away from their baby as possible and told not to use their instincts.

Then we wonder why kids rather spend time in front of the tv and have no dialogue with their parents. We are so incredibly detached from our kids its sickening.

WOW.

You're certainly living in a different society than I am.

KSig RC · #84 08-14-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

OK, with the "couples" example you're getting ridiculous.

Nah, I think your example sucked pretty badly, to be honest.

33girl · #85 08-14-2006, 03:16 PM

Well, I could have gone with the "every time you put your dog to sleep there are a zillion dog food ads starring that breed of dog" example.

Drolefille · #86 08-14-2006, 03:20 PM

Yes, but then you shouldn't call the TV station and complain about the ads because of your own personal problems...

/A general you, not specific.

AlphaFrog · #87 08-14-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yes, but then you shouldn't call the TV station and complain about the ads because of your own personal problems...

/A general you, not specific.

She was joking, hon.

Marie · #88 08-14-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

WOW.

You're certainly living in a different society than I am.

Co-sign!

As for the atricle/cover, I think it looks fine, esp. for the audience.

As for breastfeeding in public, I have no problem with a woman feeding her child. I would much rather prefer that she used a blanket (or something similar) to cover herself, rather than just unbuttoning and parting her shirt and exposing herself. I know no one on here (nor their wives) have done this, but it certainly has been done by others in the world. Not everyone cares to be discrete.

As for breastfeeding in general, you should do whatever is best for you and your child. Some people don't want to or aren't able to breast feed at all. Others don't want to continue it any longer than 6 months, when the teeth come in, 2 weeks b4 returning to work, 1 yr, 2 yrs, or whenever. If you see someone doing something different than what worked for you, then keep your comments to yourself and keep it moving. No one cares that you feel they are depriving their child of crucial nutrients by introducing formula, nor does anyone care that you think they are enabling their child by breastfeeding a toddler. Its what they like, and its their right to do so.

Lastly, I believe that there was a comment a couple of pages back about priorities and neglect...as said above everyone is different, and differnet from you does not necessarily equal bad nor does it equal misplaced priorities. Many women have to work. Many women find themselves single moms not by their own choosing. Many women find not working and failing to provide their child w/a college fund, or access to qualities schools, programs and experiences (all of which may be unaffordable w/o her working) just as neglectful as discontinuing breastfeeding to return to work. I'm not saying that women should/should not work. It, like breastfeeding, is a personal preference based upon what works in your situation. What I am saying is insinuations of neglect and misplaced priorities have no place in this discussion about each family doing what is best for them.

Drolefille · #89 08-14-2006, 03:25 PM

I know, but she had made the point about the breastfeeding women and the infertile/miscarriage women. She's clearly agree that calling the TV station and complaining about the ad would be an overreaction, I say not-breastfeeding because there could be someone suffering after a miscarriage would be an overreaction.

33girl · #90 08-14-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

I know, but she had made the point about the breastfeeding women and the infertile/miscarriage women. She's clearly agree that calling the TV station and complaining about the ad would be an overreaction, I say not-breastfeeding because there could be someone suffering after a miscarriage would be an overreaction.

I never said not to breastfeed!!!

I said we (society we) need to provide comfortable, clean, places for women to do so in private. For women who are upset about this or that, for people who just plain don't want to see it, for parents who don't want to explain it to their kids.

Personally I was just raised that breastfeeding is a private function. If that's "old fashioned" or "anti child" then so be it.