Your Thoughts: Day Without Immigrants-Boycott

[spring04_swing]

I tend to agree with most people here. I had this argument with my sister the other day. She accused me of being a biggot because she failed to realize that the controversy was about ILLEGAL immagrantion and not immgration as a whole. I'm all for immigration...it's just when people come here illegally, I see a problem.

If those who immigrate here feel the red tape one has to go through to become a legal citizen is too thick, then by all means, work on a way to reform them by the political process (without taking away from the purpose of a citizenship process). But to simply grant all illegals here citizenship is not only a slap in the face to those who've gone through the legal process but seems intellectually lazy to me.

I respect the right to protest...It seems only right to protest when you feel you are being short-sided. But illegal immigrants protesting seems ironic to me: people who are not paying taxes into the system are protesting so that they can reap the benefits of that system

I'm also tired of having illegal immigration issues tied to those of the African American community. My ancestors did not immigrate here....they had little choice in the matter. Although I sympathize with any group of people trying to make a better life for themselves, I believe they should do it within the legal system.

[HXNUPE3]

Originally posted by AKA_Monet
No, the highly skilled tech jobs and healthcare jobs go to the Asian immigrants... Some who overstayed their visas and have kids who were born here--meaning legal citizens of the United States...

How do folks separate families? Kids born as citizens of the United States, but Mom and Dad are here illegally... Or like a Vietnamese co-worker who is NOT a US citizen said, her dad fought with the Americans in the Vietnam war... The Americans OWED him a decent life or livelihood. He brought his immediate family when the helicopters took off. They lived is SoCal refugee camps for the years they had them, then they eventually moved into an apartment complex... The kids attended school, became educated at US universities, just never became legal citizens...

Now, I ain't paying for a free ride ticket for someone to go back to Asia or any long distance location, including Mexico City... I'd rather go there myself...

So wouldn't it just be cheaper if we brought our Iraqi troops home for a bit, let them re-group, get the battle groups out there, invoke Manifest Destiny and have the Spanish American War again? That's the way it was done long time ago? We take back some of the lands we confiscated in the first place. We'd get rid of Castro and his bunch rather than waiting for him to die...

Oh yeah, I forgot, the UN would have problems with that... Countries like that are not allowed to invade other countries without going to the Hague... That's how WWII got started...

I don't quite understand your post.Your facts ae seriously distorted or is the post in jest?

There is a common misconception among the public that such citizenship is a Constitutional guarantee. The fact is that the constitutional question of whether the 14th amendment grants citizenship to children of foreigners born on U.S. soil was addressed by the Supreme Court over 100 years ago in the Slaughter House Cases and, again, in 1971 in the case of Rogers v. Bellei. All existing case law confirms that the Fourteenth Amendment does not automatically grant citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants

My father and many others fought for the Viet Namese to keep their country from being overrun.
It was the Mexican War in which the term Manifest Destiny was first used (not the Spainish-American War). All the "confiscate" land was paid for and the Mexican citizens re-patriated as Americans.
AS to the Spainish American War, Cuba, Puerto Rico, were liberated from Spain. Cuba becoing independant and PR becoming a US Common Weal.
The UN was not established until 1945 after the close of WWII.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by HXNUPE3
There is a common misconception among the public that such citizenship is a Constitutional guarantee. The fact is that the constitutional question of whether the 14th amendment grants citizenship to children of foreigners born on U.S. soil was addressed by the Supreme Court over 100 years ago in the Slaughter House Cases and, again, in 1971 in the case of Rogers v. Bellei. All existing case law confirms that the Fourteenth Amendment does not automatically grant citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants

Can you say that once more so that folks understand... You may want to expound upon how you have come to know that information or at least provide links to where you are getting your information so that folks can make their own investigation. Because you are right, there is that misconception of being born on US soil and either being a citizen or not. And that is how those who are trying to be re-elected in congress are spinning it as a "wedge issue" between various groups of people... The key is to stay informed...

Originally posted by HXNUPE3
It was the Mexican War in which the term Manifest Destiny was first used (not the Spainish-American War). All the "confiscate" land was paid for and the Mexican citizens re-patriated as Americans.
AS to the Spainish American War, Cuba, Puerto Rico, were liberated from Spain. Cuba becoing independant and PR becoming a US Common Weal.

You are right, got some of my history dates and fact confused. However lands were owned by the United States at one time or another. But because the US efforts were placed elsewhere at onetime or another, somehow, "border lines" got blurred...

As far as Mexican citizen repatriated as US citizens... That depends on how low folks wanted to go to become US citizens. They allowed their families to be separated by a "ditch" if you have EVER seen the Mexican Border Crossings in the Desert - I have an know several people that have made that illegal cross, some of them children. My question to the group is that fair to the children? Because that is all I care about, the children...

Originally posted by HXNUPE3
The UN was not established until 1945 after the close of WWII.

Part of the UN charter is to no ever allow complete invasion into another country without provocation like Hitler did with Nazi Germany... Any country that invades a defenseless country to "expand" will be prosecuted by International Court under War Crimes Tribunals at the Hague...

The Hague folks were trying to prosecute Milosevic under those clauses, but he died under mysterious circumstances, although "they said" that is was a heart attack and that might be actually true. But there are some poisons out there that can be made to look like folks died of "natural causes" and they actually do not...

[Kamryn]

I’ve been gone for a little while, feels good to be back!
I love seeing intellectually stimulating conversation topics such as this one on the boards.
However, I must say that I find that one of the most recognizable misconceptions is the assumption that immigrants that are protesting and that this bill is affecting are Mexicans, the primary reason for the uproar is the fact that when we refer to immigrants, we’re referring to everyone from another country; Africans, Asians, Europeans, Australians, Islanders/West Indies, South Americans, and the list goes on... (Sidebar: The reason I say this is because there are a lot of posts referring to Mexicans.)

Then there’s the rippling effect. There are American Citizens who have earned their right, whereas they may have relatives who have not. Since non citizens may have been in the country for most of their lives, they eventually begin to feel that they are entitled to the rights of a US citizen, and that’s where the problem is evolving from. They have gotten by for so long that now that there is a threat, there will be uproar.

I know of many people who were caught up in that situation and have been deported. I was almost in the same situation. Although immigrants may have built this country, time changes and so does the laws. That’s one of the reasons it’s crucial that we be more active and involved in our legislative decisions. The bottom line is that there is a process that everyone needs to go through to become a “naturalized” citizen if you are not a “born” citizen. It’s a hard one, but it’s the law of the land you choose to live in.