So What Happens Now?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
If working for an escort service was proof that someone was a prostitute, then why don't the police and DA's go after all of them and shut them down?

Off the top of my head here are several reasons:

1) Catching a killer is more important than catching prostitutes
2) Street walkers and whore houses present a problem because they are clustered and attract other forms of crime. Escorts do out calls and aren't centralized like that.
3) Escort services do have caller id and often only deal with certain clients.
4) There are rules against entrapment and escort agencies know how to use them so they will say the money is for the company and the sex just happens because the girls wants it to happen
5) Cops like prostitutes too.

-Rudey

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
Off the top of my head here are several reasons:

1) Catching a killer is more important than catching prostitutes
2) Street walkers and whore houses present a problem because they are clustered and attract other forms of crime. Escorts do out calls and aren't centralized like that.
3) Escort services do have caller id and often only deal with certain clients.
4) There are rules against entrapment and escort agencies know how to use them so they will say the money is for the company and the sex just happens because the girls wants it to happen
5) Cops like prostitutes too.

-Rudey

I'm so glad you know how to make a list. But you missed my point.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Ch2tf
IF she lied, and that has been no more "proven" than it has that those boys raped her. You happen to fall on the side of immediately giving the benefit of the doubt to the lacrosse players while others have given the benefit of the doubt to the victim. And by the way, according to the initial news reports, the victim was not the only person that provided testimony to the police about hearing racial slurs coming from the house. There is a recorded 911 call to police by a young black woman who was passing by the house, stating that she had just been called racial slurs, and a neighbor who commented about hear the epiteths (spelling?) coming from the home. So as far as the "race card", racism, etc. preliminarily it was a recorded incident at the house.

Innocent before guilty. It's how our country works. There are no charges filed even.

And there are witnesses and neighbors that say they didn't hear anything.

I can call you a rapist right now and this would mean that we wouldn't know and you might possibly be one huh? Just like that? Well thankfully our legal system says you aren't one at all until we charge you, do an investigation on you and say you're guilty.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I'm so glad you know how to make a list. But you missed my point.

You asked a question and I answered it.

I mean it's ok if you see a dog and call it a cat. We all have our quirks.

-Rudey

[shinerbock]

Did anyone just watch that conference at NC Central? Holy crap. I would have hated to be that DA, and I probably would have lost my temper and gotten myself killed.

This issue is ridiculous. People keep saying "we don't know" and "there are holes on both sides." Yeah, the hole is, this woman is a stripper (likely a prostitute) who was injured beforehand, and is now trying to discredit a bunch of white kids without any evidence. Call me whatever, but it seems unlikely a bunch of Duke kids decided, "you know what we should do tonight, rape a black prostitute." I would not be at all surprised to see the criminal case dropped, and a civil case proceed (aka Kobe Bryant). Whats more disgusting than the fact that these kids are most likely having their lives wrongfully ruined, is that so many people are using this as a rallying point against the "white establishment." If you watched that conference, you probably understand what i'm talking about.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by shinerbock
Did anyone just watch that conference at NC Central? Holy crap. I would have hated to be that DA, and I probably would have lost my temper and gotten myself killed.

This issue is ridiculous. People keep saying "we don't know" and "there are holes on both sides." Yeah, the hole is, this woman is a stripper (likely a prostitute) who was injured beforehand, and is now trying to discredit a bunch of white kids without any evidence. Call me whatever, but it seems unlikely a bunch of Duke kids decided, "you know what we should do tonight, rape a black prostitute." I would not be at all surprised to see the criminal case dropped, and a civil case proceed (aka Kobe Bryant). Whats more disgusting than the fact that these kids are most likely having their lives wrongfully ruined, is that so many people are using this as a rallying point against the "white establishment." If you watched that conference, you probably understand what i'm talking about.

Exactly.

-Rudey

[kddani]

Originally posted by shinerbock
Call me whatever, but it seems unlikely a bunch of Duke kids decided, "you know what we should do tonight, rape a black prostitute."

did you see this? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke1.html

[Rudey]

Originally posted by kddani
did you see this? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke1.html

Did you read that report at www.WhatDoesThatHaveToDoWithAnything.com?

-Rudey

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by wrigley
If "guests" of the lacrosse team party were the ones who actually did commit the assault, aren't the team members who were there guilty of doing nothing to stop it? Why such a code of silence by the entire team?

Perhaps they are remaining silent because they are still subjects of a criminal investigation and their lawyers have properly instructed them to keep their mouths closed in public. Perhaps they are silent because they've already said what they can -- that what has been alleged didn't happen. Perhaps they are all protecting each other or perhaps they've already told the truth and many in the public refuse to believe it. Perhaps it's a bit risky to read too much into their silence.

The resignation of the award winning coach wouldn't have been necessary if they were completely innocent.

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Also, the media commentary on the fact that Duke is on one side of the tracks and that NCCU is on the other side of the tracks in the same city speaks volumes on social class and race in this country.

These two comments get to the heart of much of what has gone on. Not only is there a major social class and race divide problem being played out, but also a major town vs. gown divide problem. Rightly or wrongly, Duke is viewed as a bastion of elitism in a working class town. Rightly or wrongly, the members of the LAX team have been viewed for quite some time (long before this latest incident) as the out-of-control poster boys for class favoritism and looking-the-other-way at Duke. Fairly or unfairly, past behaviors made it pretty easy for many in Durham to believe the worst of the LAX team. Fairly or unfairly, the coach -- who with the University leadership probably should have done something about team discipline a long time ago -- may have become the sacrificial lamb for Duke.

I don't know what happened -- or didn't happen -- at the LAX house. I don't know who is telling the truth. But the reality is that this quickly became much bigger than what happened or didn't happen, because it tapped into many deep undercurrants at and around Duke.

[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by Rudey
Innocent before guilty. It's how our country works. There are no charges filed even.

First of all, it is more like "one should be considered proven innocent before guilty, but it definitely does not always (and in most cases doesn't) happen that way, and even you're not naive enough to think that way. But lets just say that you are, that you really believe that all people are innocent before proven guilty, then why are you even engaged in this discussion? It still has not been proven that the victim has lied, they are in no way near a conclusion on this case, so by your own statement she should be considered innocent, right?

I'm not going to comment about other neighbors saying they didn't hear anything, because the 911 call transcript exists saying that it did. I hear a lot of things from my neighbors, but I also know that I don't hear everything, nor am I paying much attention to what is going on with them at any given time.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Ch2tf
First of all, it is more like "one should be considered proven innocent before guilty, but it definitely does not always (and in most cases doesn't) happen that way, and even you're not naive enough to think that way. But lets just say that you are, that you really believe that all people are innocent before proven guilty, then why are you even engaged in this discussion? It still has not been proven that the victim has lied, they are in no way near a conclusion on this case, so by your own statement she should be considered innocent, right?

I'm not going to comment about other neighbors saying they didn't hear anything, because the 911 call transcript exists saying that it did. I hear a lot of things from my neighbors, but I also know that I don't hear everything, nor am I paying much attention to what is going on with them at any given time.

You can move to China. I hear they give you a trial and execute you in one day and send the bill to your family for the bullet.

And the claim is being made against the LAX players not the girl. WTF? You're pretty mung.

-Rudey

[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by shinerbock
This issue is ridiculous. People keep saying "we don't know" and "there are holes on both sides." Yeah, the hole is, this woman is a stripper (likely a prostitute) who was injured beforehand, and is now trying to discredit a bunch of white kids without any evidence. Call me whatever, but it seems unlikely a bunch of Duke kids decided, "you know what we should do tonight, rape a black prostitute." I would not be at all surprised to see the criminal case dropped, and a civil case proceed (aka Kobe Bryant). Whats more disgusting than the fact that these kids are most likely having their lives wrongfully ruined, is that so many people are using this as a rallying point against the "white establishment." If you watched that conference, you probably understand what i'm talking about.

A stripper does not have to be a prostitute, and you have nothing on which to base that claim. And what exactly does she get out of "discrediting" a bunch of white kids??? And who said anything about the Duke boys pre-planning a rape...all rapes are not planned in advance a part of a masterminded plot (not saying that it doesn't happen ever). A lot of things seem unlikely...it seems unlikely that there was a reason for a whole sports team to hire a stripper, it seems unlikely that someone would let their name be dragged through the mud to cover up for someone else, but unlikely doesn't come close to equaling impossible.

And as a possible rape victim it is not unlikely that her life can be wrongfully ruined????

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Ch2tf
A stripper does not have to be a prostitute, and you have nothing on which to base that claim.

"The woman said the assault took place in the early hours of March 14 near Duke's East Campus. She had worked for an escort service to help support her two children and pay for classes at N.C. Central University".

-Rudey

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by shinerbock
Did anyone just watch that conference at NC Central? Holy crap. I would have hated to be that DA, and I probably would have lost my temper and gotten myself killed.

This issue is ridiculous. People keep saying "we don't know" and "there are holes on both sides." Yeah, the hole is, this woman is a stripper (likely a prostitute) who was injured beforehand, and is now trying to discredit a bunch of white kids without any evidence. Call me whatever, but it seems unlikely a bunch of Duke kids decided, "you know what we should do tonight, rape a black prostitute." I would not be at all surprised to see the criminal case dropped, and a civil case proceed (aka Kobe Bryant). Whats more disgusting than the fact that these kids are most likely having their lives wrongfully ruined, is that so many people are using this as a rallying point against the "white establishment." If you watched that conference, you probably understand what i'm talking about.

Doesn't matter if she had sex with every man in NC before that night.

If she doesn't give consent, its rape. I don't understand why that's so hard to figure out. So what if she consented to things before...she has the right to NOT consent, and if sexual contact occurs after that then its rape.

[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by Rudey
You can move to China. I hear they give you a trial and execute you in one day and send the bill to your family for the bullet. And the claim is being made against the LAX players not the girl. WTF? You're pretty mung.

And again you missed the point/refused to see it because you don't happen to agree. If you honestly believe that everyone who receives a fair trial in this country then you are obviosly a lot me dense than even I thought you were.
And not the claim in this thread was not be made just against the LAX, you yourself have come out and said that the girl was lying-without proof to the nature of the claim. So I am not off target...but since you are let me clarify what I said in my previous post...

If one is to follow your previous statements about being innocent until proven guilty, then there is not need/justification for you claiming that the girl is lying because you cannot prove her guilt on that matter either.