Hazing creates a sense of unity - Page 6

AlphaFrog · #76 03-22-2006, 03:37 PM

I didn't think it was possible, but this thread just got BUMPin weirder.

Tom Earp · #77 03-22-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Iris
Ok! Jeeeeeez! Nobody likes the analogy!

I was only using it to state that cavemen (hazing) should be extinct/evolved. However, the sophisticated cavemen in the commercial are NOT a reality even though they talk like they are. Point is.... the cavemen are still there on the TV AND so are the hazers on our campuses. Yet today, it's being done by modern cavepeople who walk and talk like intelligent young men and women on our campuses leading too many of our GLOs! DONE with the analogy!

Where's Earp.....the analogy KING?

The analogy isn't the point, stopping hazing---in any form---is. We shouldn't be sitting here analyzing what is/isn't, should/shouldn't be acceptable, legal, moral, or purposeful.

In our GLOs, we need to be rid of it........long overdue.

Iris

Analogy King, Good to Be The King, well of something!

If it takes degraded to become a Member of a GLO or anthing else, Count Me out.

The inanity just blows by Me.

The discussion of what is and what is doesnt really make a difference does it it Your (Our) GLOs so deem it to be and is not allowed. That is why We see so many Chapters from Different GLOs losing thier Charters. Losing The Charter Means only one thing, They Are Gone!

So, who does that help?

PiKA2001 · #78 03-23-2006, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by Heather17
I am getting the impression that he feels that because he didn't have to do those things he some how missed out or didn't earn his initiation?

You're not following me here. What I posted were the guidlines (in a nutshell ) that I was told when I rushed. They were simple and straightforward. I don't know how you got the impression that I feel depraved because I didnt get to eat the oogie cookie.

doofy312 · #79 03-23-2006, 04:28 AM

I got the hell hazed out of me. I enjoyed it. I do not haze my pledges, becasue there are other guys to do that. I am the guy that goes afterwards and talks to them about why we did it and what they need to gain from it. that is what needs to happen after hazing events. I believe that i would not feel like a real fraternity member if i just waltzed in and became a brother. I felt that I had earned my right to walk into the house as a brother. I believe the only thing that gets out of control is the alcohol. That can be dangerous. Physical and mental things are great for hazing. Degradation is the best. Make sure the pledges feel like shit, so that way they can build themslves back up together. If you feel as if you grew apart from your fraternity then that means the people hazing you didnt give a shit about you. If they did they would have cared to help you out afterwards.

Iris · #80 03-23-2006, 09:31 AM

.....you have got to be kidding......

LPIDelta · #81 03-23-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by doofy312
I am the guy that goes afterwards and talks to them about why we did it and what they need to gain from it. that is what needs to happen after hazing events. I believe that i would not feel like a real fraternity member if i just waltzed in and became a brother. I felt that I had earned my right to walk into the house as a brother. I believe the only thing that gets out of control is the alcohol. That can be dangerous. Physical and mental things are great for hazing. Degradation is the best. Make sure the pledges feel like shit, so that way they can build themslves back up together. If you feel as if you grew apart from your fraternity then that means the people hazing you didnt give a shit about you. If they did they would have cared to help you out afterwards.

OK--this is too good not to reply.

If you need to explain what they were supposed to get out of an activity in order to meet your group's "purposes" then there is something wrong with the activity. You don't tell someone "and now you need to bond/trust etc." and it just happens.

Actions speak louder than words. If you want respect, respect other people. If you want to be seen as a leader, then engage in genuine leadership activities that are uplifting.

Additionally, why would you rush someone that was so weak as to allow themselves to be degraded?

More and more often, college students today are busy. They have to work, they often have to take more classes to satisfy their degrees, they have to engage in internships etc. WITH LIMITED TIME, WHY WOULD THE AGREE TO PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING THAT BRINGS THEM DOWN?

I would take a LONG hard look at your orgs activities and yourself, and really consider the type of "brotherhood" you're building. ETA: Believe it or not, you're taking the easy road here, and that does not build a lifetime of unity.

AGDee · #82 03-23-2006, 10:10 AM

Let's look at that in another context...

I am your boss at work. I degrade you and scream at you in front of all your co-workers during your 90 day probation period. I also encourage your co-workers to do this to you. I do this to everybody, but at their 90 day evaluation, I call them into my office and tell them that I'm doing this because I want them to work together and going through this similar process makes people work together as a team better and proves that you really want to work there.

Does that make sense in that context? It is the most convoluted logic I've ever heard in my life.

Respect breeds respect.
Caring breeds caring.
Friendship breeds friendship.
Hazing serves no useful purpose other than making some idiot feel superior to someone.

TSteven · #83 03-23-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by Heather17
Additionally, why would you rush someone that was so weak as to allow themselves to be degraded?

Brilliant point!

Rudey · #84 03-23-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by TSteven
Brilliant point!

Perhaps because you see that degradation as a means to an end, in the same way that the pledge does.

-Rudey

TSteven · #85 03-23-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Perhaps because you see that degradation as a means to an end, in the same way that the pledge does.

-Rudey

That certainly is one way to look at it.

Tom Earp · #86 03-23-2006, 05:13 PM

Well, if one wants to be degraded, then let them be!

I think We Call Them Marooons! Rhymns with Schrooms, smoking them maybe?

Also sounds like whats He face is a Kid who is not old enough to be in a GLO!

doofy312 · #87 03-23-2006, 08:50 PM

Look man, You have claimed I am not greek in multiple threads. Your are wrong. I am a Phi Sigma Kappa at the University of Tenn. I am 20 years old so dont think I am 14. Nice try though.

To everyone else, The way we go about business, is to see if the people coming through really want it. I do not tell them to bond afterwards. I inform them of what all went on and what all was ritual and what all was just filler to the activity. My fraternity has one of the strongest brotherhoods I have ever seen. So maybe you all who that are on here telling me you all havea good brotherhood might want to rethink how great it is. Every brother would back me up in a heart beat and i know it for a fact.

DeltAlum · #88 03-23-2006, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by doofy312
I inform them of what all went on and what all was ritual and what all was just filler to the activity.

I want to be absolutely sure I understand that sentence.

Are you saying that hazing is a part of your fraternity ritual?

ETA: The following is copied directly from the Phi Sigma Kappa website:

"Passages New Member Program

In recent years, Phi Sigma Kappa has taken the lead in the interfraternity world with some of its progressive educational programming. The "Passages" program, the Fraternity's "no pledging" initiative, was implemented to provide membership education for all undergraduate brothers throughout their collegiate career, as well as to stamp out any hazing practices in some of our chapters. (Uderline added)

"Passages" is based on a standard of mutual respect between existing brothers and newly initiated brothers. No longer will a rushee or new initiate be treated like a second class citizen as in the traditional pledge program. Instead, all brothers share equal privileges beginning from the time our candidates take the first steps toward initiation."

macallan25 · #89 03-23-2006, 10:26 PM

do you really think that chapters operate by what their national website has posted in regards to fraternitie's operations? Phi Delt is a nationally dry fraternity, expressed on their website....do you think that stops them from partying in their house?

Iris · #90 03-23-2006, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by doofy312...

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Every brother would back me up in a heart beat and i know it for a fact.

....not quite so sure that the brothers at your HQs would back you up so quickly....especially since you've mentioned your GLO and university......scary, dude.

Hmmmm....did you happen to read the "You are what you post" thread under Greek Life?