Pikes at Howard Update

[saetex]

good post, serisously

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by saetex
good post, serisously

Because you understand the issue more?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by starang21
"they"



"those people"

Let's give "them" the benefit of the doubt. Maybe "they" didn't mean "it" that "way."

[saetex]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Because you understand the issue more?

i like the way that you put it....and yes, it gave me a different way to look at it. i can't argue with someone that makes a career out of it. very nice

[PKPILZ003]

"Is the chapter still active and is it predominately white? I guess I was suprised that Howard had enough white men to start a chapter of a predominately white fraternity. I know the chapter will be mixed but I just can't imagine a predominately white fraternity having a black chapter"

Not only is the chapter still active, it's the 2nd biggest chapter on campus. Is it still predomintely white - yes, but i also would say that it's the most diverse chapter on campus, with latino, black, asian and white brothers. I really don't think that Pike is going to have a white chapter at howard as much as I think that they are going to try and have a chapter at howard. Like i said in my first post - i think that they have an uphill climb, but if they succeed, don't be surprised when other groups try and go to predominetely black schools. I really want to start GA Gamma at Morehouse.

Marc A.S. Dumas...
The Phi Kappa Psi Fraternity
IL Zeta Chapter
Chapter Adivsor - IL Zeta Chapter and IL Theta Chapter
DePaul University Chapter Advisor of the Year 2000,2001,2002,2003,2005
Phi Kappa Psi National Chapter Advisor of the Year -2003

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by PKPILZ003
i think that they have an uphill climb, but if they succeed, don't be surprised when other groups try and go to predominetely black schools.

I think that most of the older GC'ers from the D9 who are familiar with the HBCU's realize that make happen. However, we know there is something rather "fishy" about the process of the "colonization" and it entails money... Which makes HBCU's just a money grubbing moochers as anyone else...

Then it just makes kids like saetax use that "wonderful knowledge of his" fodder to attack HBCU's and "black people" more for taking money, again, from "the man"--which essentially is neglecting the whole "global" reason why this entire process commenced...

Originally posted by PKPILZ003
I really want to start GA Gamma at Morehouse.

Good luck with that... You all probably can buy off some administators at the 'House... However, I fail to foresee you buying Massey off very well... And raiding the coffers at Morehouse has already happened.

Then you are battling the fact the Morehouse men start pledging when they get their freshmen acceptance letters and they think they are a part of a fraternity already...

Which is why they actually get the D5 fraternities kicked off campus so often because they have to pledge them harder than when these boys started school.

So what would your organization have to offer differently to these men of Morehouse?

The fact that you all have the "all inclusive", "global brotherhood" that really the D4 fraternities cannot offer?

Okey? I guess? But good luck with that...

Some people might be in for a rude awakening... I'm just saying... And hey, it might be the D9

[saetex]

Originally posted by AKA_Monet
I think that most of the older GC'ers from the D9 who are familiar with the HBCU's realize that make happen. However, we know there is something rather "fishy" about the process of the "colonization" and it entails money... Which makes HBCU's just a money grubbing moochers as anyone else...

Then it just makes kids like saetax use that "wonderful knowledge of his" fodder to attack HBCU's and "black people" more for taking money, again, from "the man"--which essentially is neglecting the whole "global" reason why this entire process commenced...




Good luck with that... You all probably can buy off some administators at the 'House... However, I fail to foresee you buying Massey off very well... And raiding the coffers at Morehouse has already happened.

Then you are battling the fact the Morehouse men start pledging when they get their freshmen acceptance letters and they think they are a part of a fraternity already...

Which is why they actually get the D5 fraternities kicked off campus so often because they have to pledge them harder than when these boys started school.

So what would your organization have to offer differently to these men of Morehouse?

The fact that you all have the "all inclusive", "global brotherhood" that really the D4 fraternities cannot offer?

Okey? I guess? But good luck with that...

Some people might be in for a rude awakening... I'm just saying... And hey, it might be the D9

uhhhhh, when did I "attack" any black fraternity or say anything about blacks taking money from "the man". don't remember when I said anything relating to that in this thread. you quote, "the black man" like i said something wrong....or are you one of those types that thinks they should all be referred to as African Americans. I'm Scottish and Dutch. Should I refer to myself as a Dutch-Scot American??

[Tom Earp]

"Buying" off Administrations?

Dont try to think to hard on that one!

Ridiculous statement. Why buy anything when it is free and have the right to colonize where there is a need or a want.

I beleive that the young man from H U stated that the group of Men petitioned PKA, not the other way around.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
WOW, I am Impressed!

you should be.

[starang21]

Originally posted by saetex
uhhhhh, when did I "attack" any black fraternity or say anything about blacks taking money from "the man". don't remember when I said anything relating to that in this thread. you quote, "the black man" like i said something wrong....or are you one of those types that thinks they should all be referred to as African Americans. I'm Scottish and Dutch. Should I refer to myself as a Dutch-Scot American??

talk about a completely useless and irrelevant jumble of words.

[PKPILZ003]

AKA_Monet said-
"I think that most of the older GC'ers from the D9 who are familiar with the HBCU's realize that make happen. However, we know there is something rather "fishy" about the process of the "colonization" and it entails money... Which makes HBCU's just a money grubbing moochers as anyone else...

My beautiful AKA Sister-

First off, there's no money involved - whoever is giving you your info is way off base. None of the NIC Groups I know pay schools to come to their campuses. that would be silly. It's about being asked to come to a campus by a group of men or deciding that a campus would be a good place for expansion. I understand that the onus is on me to expalin to you how NIC groups do things, but how does the D9 grow and prosper - you don't just show up at a campus and say, "we're a chapter now - give us all the rights that everyone that's been here has." Do you?

As for what Phi Psi, or any group, has to offer the Men of Morehouse or any School compared toi Alpha, Kappa, Sigma, Iota or Que - A lot. We're different. that's the biggest thing -we give another option. What does Alpha have to offer at UCLA? or Kappa at Duke? options!


The fact that you try and make fun of the fact that we are diverse - kinda makes me wonder, especially since I just saw one of your Sorors do the same thing on National TV. Why does it seem to me (and if I'm wrong I Do apoloigize) that you just don't like NIC or NPC groups? Have they done something to wrong you. much like the D9, we all have our problems, but we have to work together - if we don't we'll all fail alone.

I hope that this finds you well, in the spirit of our interfraternal bond.

[xo_kathy]

Originally posted by PKPILZ003

First off, there's no money involved - whoever is giving you your info is way off base.

Just wanted to quote this in case anyone missed it. People keep saying it has to do with money. NIC and NPC orgs do not give colleges money to be on their campus. Is the Pike expansion still "fishy"?

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
"Buying" off Administrations?

Dont try to think to hard on that one!

Ridiculous statement. Why buy anything when it is free and have the right to colonize where there is a need or a want.

I beleive that the young man from H U stated that the group of Men petitioned PKA, not the other way around.

Student groups, esp Greek orgs, can only be organized on campus WITH THE PERMISSION of the school administration, esp at HBCUs. Those who attended HBCUs can speak more to this topic but I understand that these schools tend to regiment structures such as membership intake for the Greek orgs.

Therefore, your premise is FALSE.

[Firehouse]

I don't know where the issue of money came from. I do not approve of my fraternity colonizing Howard University and I damn sure wouldn't pay for the opportunity. I agree with many of the representatives of the HBGLOs who have posted here. Howard is a distinguished university, but we shouldn't be disrupting someone else's culture.

[Erik P Conard]

The various Valkeries, Jubilances and Lady Pi Phis...I do not give a
rat's ass what you think. I personally think you are angry, and
a feel good PC aspirant. And shallow and myopic.
But you have a right to air your views. But I cannot see how so
many of you can ignore the strides made and how many of you still feel you are entitled to a handout. And the "us" has been used many times on this site. It is first person plural but not necessarily all-inclusive. Is that too much for you to grasp?
The pronouncements made by some of you dummies will keep you
busy in sites like this where you can do no harm.