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[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
That probably has to do with the different nature of the events.

Gotcha!

[Paradise359]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
That probably has to do with the different nature of the events.

Sistergreek,

to piggy back off of Soror AKA2D91, generally we (AKA's) were not feeling "loved" and supported by greeks in general. The judgement was so loud it was hard to hear the voices who supported us although there were greeks who were very supportive. It was 'AKAs drowned those girls' or 'AKAS did this or that'. The organiztion was criticized when there were actual, individual (impersonators of AKA really) persons who created the situation that led to the deaths.

So you are partially right. The nature of the actual events is different but, the fact that a person or persons were individually resposible and not the body of the organization is quite the same. Just as Zeta, the body did not steal that money, AKA the body didn't put anybody in harms way.

I'm glad that most of us as greeks are supporting the members of ZPB. They are not responsible for the actions of a few. This too shall pass. Either of these events could have and has happened to any of our orgs, so let's always be there & support each other b/c we never know when it will be our turn.

[Paradise359]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
One good thing that comes from this is how the Greek community (NPHC, NPC, IFC, etc.) has supported the Zetas and learned more about the potential for fraud in every organization.

That is so true! No one is immune.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Paradise359
Sistergreek,

to piggy back off of Soror AKA2D91, generally we (AKA's) were not feeling "loved" and supported by greeks in general. The judgement was so loud it was hard to hear the voices who supported us although there were greeks who were very supportive. It was 'AKAs drowned those girls' or 'AKAS did this or that'. The organiztion was criticized when there were actual, individual (impersonators of AKA really) persons who created the situation that led to the deaths.

So you are partially right. The nature of the actual events is different but, the fact that a person or persons were individually resposible and not the body of the organization is quite the same. Just as Zeta, the body did not steal that money, AKA the body didn't put anybody in harms way.

I'm glad that most of us as greeks are supporting the members of ZPB. They are not responsible for the actions of a few. This too shall pass. Either of these events could have and has happened to any of our orgs, so let's always be there & support each other b/c we never know when it will be our turn.

I do not see why you all would want to compare the reactions received as a result of hazing deaths to the reactions the Zetas have received due to the mismanagement of funds. As with everything else in life, people do not have to show you support just because it makes you feel better. When you do receive support, there's no point in comparing the support you received to the support others are receiving for an unrelated and noncomparable incident. This shouldn't even be a discussion as far as I'm concerned.

[Paradise359]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
I do not see why you all would want to compare the reactions received as a result of hazing deaths to the reactions the Zetas have received due to the mismanagement of funds. As with everything else in life, people do not have to show you support just because it makes you feel better. When you do receive support, there's no point in comparing the support you received to the support others are receiving for an unrelated and noncomparable incident. This shouldn't even be a discussion as far as I'm concerned.

Morning :-) Truthfully it's a matter of perspective. I admit it is kind of unfair to ask you to see it from our point of view because it wasn't your experience. Also I never spoke about reactions because of course deaths will be received differently than embezzlement. At least I would hope so! I'm talking about support for members who had nothing to do with either event. Some will see this point of view & some willl not. That's the reality of life. It's not about trying to convience someone, but about providing another perspective for an individual to ponder.

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
I do not see why you all would want to compare the reactions

You don't?

AKA= Historically Black Sorority
ZPB= Historically Black Sorority
(That should be enough, but I'll continue)

Events: Yes, they were different, but both groups experienced/are experiencing events where no group is exempt.

Crisis that affected the organization's existence: AKA-lawsuit due to hazing (National officers were not aware of the issue); Zeta: International President allegedly mismanaging funds and the Executive Committee being complicit- FBI involved;

Both events/crisis SHOULD (have) garner(ed) support from the greek community.

Again, it is okay if Greek unity, support, sympathy, or empathy is conditional.... where unity is based on the nature of the events. I applaud you DSTChaos for feeling that way. At least, you were honest.


Not only here on GC, but all over the net AKA was in the spotlight, discussed, criticized, there was an opinion etc. Now, everyone wants to sweep the latest incident under the rug, so to speak. Suddenly, no one has an opinion.

I don't expect anyone who was not a member of AKA or any GLO during the time of the lawsuit to understand the concern, nor do I expect other members of the D9 to understand. I don't know what it's like to have my International President being investigated for misamangement of funds. However, I can empathize and still wish the members of Zeta well as they deal with this unprecedented (public) dilemma. Again, AKA got through it without support, and the members of Zeta will get through it with support.

As a reminder, here is the thread that was started in this forum (it was eventually moved to the AKA forum in 2005 and I closed it in 2005... )
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...light=drowning

You can see that greeks and non-greeks came out in droves to say NOTHING about the unprecedented incident and rallied support around the members as we dealt with the situation. I can count the number of PMs I received telling me that "AKA was stellar" and we would "handle this with grace and dignity"...yeah right!

I just thought about something...AKA hasn't been supported since 1908, so I should know better than to expect any support nearly 100 years later. (slapping myself on the wrist)

Greek unity... gotta LOVE it!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Paradise359
Morning :-) Truthfully it's a matter of perspective. I admit it is kind of unfair to ask you to see it from our point of view because it wasn't your experience. Also I never spoke about reactions because of course deaths will be received differently than embezzlement. At least I would hope so! I'm talking about support for members who had nothing to do with either event. Some will see this point of view & some willl not. That's the reality of life. It's not about trying to convience someone, but about providing another perspective for an individual to ponder.

Since we're talking about opinion and perspective, I don't think isn't unfair to ask for others to see something from a different point of view. I simply think it is silly for some of you to play tit for tat and dwell on your point of view. Like you said these incidents can happen to anyone. That's the only point to be gotten from this discussion as far as I'm concerned.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
I just thought about something...AKA hasn't been supported since 1908, so I should know better than to expect any support nearly 100 years later. (slapping myself on the wrist)

Sistergreeks, please rid your veins of this silliness.

[AKA2D '91]

Sistergreek, I don't expect you to understand!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
You can see that greeks and non-greeks came out in droves to say NOTHING about the unprecedented incident and rallied support around the members as we dealt with the situation. I can count the number of PMs I received telling me that "AKA was stellar" and we would "handle this with grace and dignity"...yeah right!

Maybe you and I read two different threads because I saw some people referencing the specific incident as they gave you all support. There are no rules regarding how people should respond to certain crises and show support. Either case, you acknowledge that you all received support and you also received PMs. Did it not register on the "sufficient support" meter for you, or something? Geesh.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
Sistergreek, I don't expect you to understand!

I completely understand what you all are trying to do and I think it's silly, like I said before.

[Paradise359]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Since we're talking about opinion and perspective, I don't think isn't unfair to ask for others to see something from a different point of view. I simply think it is silly for some of you to play tit for tat and dwell on your point of view. Like you said these incidents can happen to anyone. That's the only point to be gotten from this discussion as far as I'm concerned.

Okie dokie

By the by we're not trying to do anything. Just trying to tell you all how we were feeling. Feelings don't have to be validated or approved, they just are. I'd appreciate being able to express the feelings of some of my sorors without them (the feelings) being called silly or anything else for that matter.

Anywho that's all I'm going to say on the matter b/c I believe we've gotten a tad bit off topic lol

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Paradise359
Feelings don't have to be validated or approved, they just are.

Not always true, but I'm glad you said this. You just summed up why this discussion is so silly.

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
You don't?

I don't expect anyone who was not a member of AKA or any GLO during the time of the lawsuit to understand the concern, nor do I expect other members of the D9 to understand. I don't know what it's like to have my International President being investigated for misamangement of funds. However, I can empathize and still wish the members of Zeta well as they deal with this unprecedented (public) dilemma. Again, AKA got through it without support, and the members of Zeta will get through it with support.

I just thought about something...AKA hasn't been supported since 1908, so I should know better than to expect any support nearly 100 years later. (slapping myself on the wrist)

You mean 1912, right?

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
Greek unity... gotta LOVE it!

How did AKA become the focus of this discussion?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by mccoyred
*violins* How did AKA get involved in this discussion?

I believe it's ladygreek's fault.