what does it mean?

[mulattogyrl]

Originally posted by alum
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Originally posted by mulattogyrl
Alum called HUkingPIKE articulate. The problem was that if a white person had said the same the HUkingPIKE said, he wouldn't have been called articulate. I'm sure alum didn't mean it in a condescending manner, but some of us take offense to it.
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So only members of "us" can call one of our own articulate? I think you made some broad-based assumptions because I thought that HUkingPIKE had a strong opinion and voiced it clearly and concisely.

No, I didn't say that either. You're the one assuming. As a matter of fact, I didn't say much of anything about it. I was just explaining to Rudey what the situation was.

When I said 'us', I meant some of us on GC. Are you assuming I'm 'black'?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
Alum called HUkingPIKE articulate. The problem was that if a white person had said the same the HUkingPIKE said, he wouldn't have been called articulate. I'm sure alum didn't mean it in a condescending manner, but some of us take offense to it.

What would he have been called if a white person had said what HUkingPIKE said?

If it wasn't condescending, how can you take offense to it?

Articulate is defined as "Expressing yourself easily or characterized by clear expressive language," so you can say something extremely offensive and be articulate.

I think very few people in general, let alone on this board, are articulate so I appreciate those that are. It would be sad if "Articulate" became an insult in the Black community.

-Rudey

[unspokenone25]

Originally posted by alum
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Originally posted by mulattogyrl
Alum called HUkingPIKE articulate. The problem was that if a white person had said the same the HUkingPIKE said, he wouldn't have been called articulate. I'm sure alum didn't mean it in a condescending manner, but some of us take offense to it.
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So only members of "us" can call one of our own articulate? I think you made some broad-based assumptions because I thought that HUkingPIKE had a strong opinion and voiced it clearly and concisely.

Please enlighten this board and let us know when a black person has ever said to another black person...

"Wow, she/he was so articulate."
"She/he was really well-spoken."

I would really like to know b/c in all of my dealings out in the world, it has only been a nonminority making this bogus, irrational, insensitve, kind of statement.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by unspokenone25
Please enlighten this board and let us know when a black person has ever said to another black person...

"Wow, she/he was so articulate."
"She/he was really well-spoken."

I would really like to know b/c in all of my dealings out in the world, it has only been a nonminority making this bogus, irrational, insensitve, kind of statement.

So the following are not articulate?

WEB Dubois
Tony Morrison
Cornel West

-Rudey

[mulattogyrl]

Originally posted by Rudey
What would he have been called if a white person had said what HUkingPIKE said?

If it wasn't condescending, how can you take offense to it?

Articulate is defined as "Expressing yourself easily or characterized by clear expressive language," so you can say something extremely offensive and be articulate.

I think very few people in general, let alone on this board, are articulate so I appreciate those that are. It would be sad if "Articulate" became an insult in the Black community.

-Rudey

If a white person said it, nothing would have been said in reference to his language.

I said I didn't think alum meant it that way, that's all.

Yes you can say something offensive and still be articulate.

Yes, it is sad.

[unspokenone25]

Originally posted by Rudey
So the following are not articulate?

WEB Dubois
Tony Morrison
Cornel West

-Rudey

Back up what you said w/ quotes from such authors. Please include the book (or speech and date of said speech) in which they referred to particular blacks as being well-spoken and articulate. Also, it's Toni Morrison and not Tony. My Soror is not a dude.

[unspokenone25]

Originally posted by Rudey

I think very few people in general, let alone on this board, are articulate so I appreciate those that are. It would be sad if "Articulate" became an insult in the Black community.

-Rudey [/B]

It's great that you appreciate those that are articulate on this board but it really doesn't need to be said.

The question: Why should black people feel exhuberant over the fact that some of us are perceived to be "articulate" and "well-spoken"?

If you don't understand, then you will never understand. It's not my place to school those that have no desire to learn.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally posted by Rudey
So the following are not articulate?

WEB Dubois
Tony Morrison
Cornel West

-Rudey

Would you describe Rick Santorum or George Bush as 'articulate'?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by unspokenone25
Back up what you said w/ quotes from such authors. Please include the book (or speech and date of said speech) in which they referred to particular blacks as being well-spoken and articulate. Also, it's Toni Morrison and not Tony. My Soror is not a dude.

Please re-read what I wrote.

I asked you a question.

I did not say those authors called other blacks articulate, but asked if you consider them articulate.

And the word articulate is used by blacks:
http://www.nblsa.org/
"The National Black Law Students Association (NBLSA) is a national organization designed to articulate and promote the professional needs and goals of Black law students."

http://www.blackcommentator.com/61/61_fr_racism.html
"At the time I still watched the Today show and tuned in to see an interview in progress with two very well dressed, articulate black men who were not entertainers or athletes."

http://www.dusablemuseum.org/program2.asp
"Chantel Mitchell (Ariyan Johnson), a hip, articulate, black high-school girl in Brooklyn"

I could find many more quotes, but you asked a question and I provided the answer sufficiently.

-Rudey
--I'll leave the issue of Toni Morrison's femininity for another thread.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by unspokenone25
It's great that you appreciate those that are articulate on this board but it really doesn't need to be said.

The question: Why should black people feel exhuberant over the fact that some of us are perceived to be "articulate" and "well-spoken"?

If you don't understand, then you will never understand. It's not my place to school those that have no desire to learn.

So you can say some people have "no desire to learn" but someone else can't say another person is "articulate"?

I can say anything I want and from your posts, I would say you are not articulate.

-Rudey

[PhrozenGod01]

Please enlighten this board and let us know when a black person has ever said to another black person..

"Wow, she/he was so articulate."
"She/he was really well-spoken."

I would really like to know b/c in all of my dealings out in the world, it has only been a nonminority making this bogus, irrational, insensitve, kind of statement..

It happens to me every now and then... but usually over the phone with elderly friends of the family. I'll admit, I do sound a lot like Tiger Woods when I talk, and was the captain of my forensics team, but I usually get confused for a telemarketer when I'm just trying to thank someone for a birthday card or something. This one lady, who goes to my church treats me like one until I explain who I really am. Then she lightens up and tells me that I speak proper and that it's a good thing. I was the captain of my forensics and debate team so it was more unusual for me to speak in the popular vernacular most of the time.

Unspokenone, I do know where you're coming from. Just because I find communication important, there is no reason for people to patronize me. Anybody with sense speaks clearly, or at least tries to. Although my first impressions have allowed me to stand out at some favorable times, I've seen the look of surprise on some people's faces when they meet me in person. It makes me laugh. Not because it's funny, but because I'm just not that nice. I could rebut some insulting comments from people with even more assaulting assesments, but maybe I believe that some people don't think before they say things. I don't sometimes.


-one of the "GOOD" ones

[Rudey]

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
Would you describe Rick Santorum or George Bush as 'articulate'?

No I wouldn't. George Bush uses the fact that he is not articulate as an advantage. In my opinion, Santorum is articulate regardless of the fact that a lot of what he believes is rubbish.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by PhrozenGod01
It happens to me every now and then... but usually over the phone with elderly friends of the family. I'll admit, I do sound a lot like Tiger Woods when I talk, and was the captain of my forensics team, but I usually get confused for a telemarketer when I'm just trying to thank someone for a birthday card or something. This one lady, who goes to my church treats me like one until I explain who I really am. Then she lightens up and tells me that I speak proper and that it's a good thing. I was the captain of my forensics and debate team so it was more unusual for me to speak in the popular vernacular most of the time.

Unspokenone, I do know where you're coming from. Just because I find communication important, there is no reason for people to patronize me. Anybody with sense speaks clearly, or at least tries to. Although my first impressions have allowed me to stand out at some favorable times, I've seen the look of surprise on some people's faces when they meet me in person. It makes me laugh. Not because it's funny, but because I'm just not that nice. I could rebut some insulting comments from people with even more assaulting assesments, but maybe I believe that some people don't think before they say things. I don't sometimes.


-one of the "GOOD" ones

There is a difference between saying someone is articulate and saying they are articulate for a black person.

I don't know you but I would think friends of your family are complimenting you.

-Rudey

[mulattogyrl]

Originally posted by Rudey
No I wouldn't. George Bush uses the fact that he is not articulate as an advantage. In my opinion, Santorum is articulate regardless of the fact that a lot of what he believes is rubbish.

-Rudey

Well, since you described Santorum as articulate (I understand the Bush one), then yes, those you listed are articulate as well.

[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
I would never claim for my friends who are black to be anything more then casual friends, and certainly not my best friends, and here's why:
I just plain don't have that much in common with them (and I'm not talking skin color).
Geographically, there are none in my neighborhood.
Religiously, there are none in my Lutheran church.
Socially, there were none in my sorority when I was active, and there are none in any of the community groups I'm active in now.
And I'm not real active politically, so I wouldn't find much in common there.

I don't seek to avoid groups where blacks are present, but I don't seem to have the same general interests.

Please stop while you're ahead (although barely)