Flag Burning Amendment Advances In House

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Eh, I think having so many flags like that looks really tacky.

If you live in a snotty little subdivision, you have to deal with a certain level of conformity to keep the neighbors happy.

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

My snotty little sub-division is made up mostly of veterans dating back to World War II and up through Vietnam.

The guy directly across the street is a former Royal Canadian Air Force fighter pilot from WWII who participated in the Battle of Britain.

It isn't a matter of conformity, but rather a matter of patriotism and honor.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Sorry, but I have to disagree.

My snotty little sub-division is made up mostly of veterans dating back to World War II and up through Vietnam.

The guy directly across the street is a former Royal Canadian Air Force fighter pilot from WWII who participated in the Battle of Britain.

It isn't a matter of conformity, but rather a matter of patriotism and honor.

I'll assume that the RCAF pilot flies his Air Force Association flag somewhere, inside or outside... and I'll also assume that he has a national flag as well - but I'll also guess he doesn't go overboard and cover his property with flags...

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by RACooper
I'll assume that the RCAF pilot flies his Air Force Association flag somewhere, inside or outside...

Actually, he a US citizen now and flies the Stars and Stripes. He does wear a great tee shirt with a Red Maple Leaf on it at the same time.

Don't know what he might have inside.

He's a really neat guy...

[neonsparkles]

I think the real problem people have with freedom of speech is that they can't or don't want to grasp the whole picture. Its fine when someone supports YOUR speech... but in order for us to really support freedom of speech you have to accept that that means other people have the right to the freedom of THEIR speech. You have to accept that you can hang your flag every morning while your neighbor burns one in protest everyday (although I imagine that would get old after awhile and hopefully they would find a new means of protest!)

I think this is why some people have problems with certain ACLU cases or lawyers because they take on clients and cases that focus on unpopular issues like the right to burn a flag, the Klan to have a rally, etc.

Just because you support free speech that does not mean you support things you don't agree with (such as flag burning), but you support every person's right to voice their own opinions.

[AGDee]

That's exactly why I think "under God" should be removed from the pledge of allegiance. I'm fine with saying "under God", I believe in God, I have no troubles with the belief itself that we are a nation, under God. BUT, if someone wanted to substitute Allah, Buddha or the Reverand Cardinal Moon for "God", I would have a huge problem with that. Therefore, I think we should skip that part altogether.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Sorry, but I have to disagree.

My snotty little sub-division is made up mostly of veterans dating back to World War II and up through Vietnam.

The guy directly across the street is a former Royal Canadian Air Force fighter pilot from WWII who participated in the Battle of Britain.

It isn't a matter of conformity, but rather a matter of patriotism and honor.

Right -- it all depends on the subdivision. If I moved into your subdivision and wanted to hang 50 anarchy flags or 100 beer bottles or something in my yard, I bet people would be upset. Aside from that, some homeowners' associations are more uppity about what's allowed than others, and that's something you, in theory, agree to when you move there.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Right -- it all depends on the subdivision. If I moved into your subdivision and wanted to hang 50 anarchy flags or 100 beer bottles or something in my yard, I bet people would be upset. Aside from that, some homeowners' associations are more uppity about what's allowed than others, and that's something you, in theory, agree to when you move there.

valkyrie


That does seem to be what was being discussed here.

Being Trash in The Uppity Home Owners area is different than being Patriotic!

Of course, there will always be people who are Dill Wads, Dip Sticks, Ass Wipes, Ass Hats, or the Myrid of definitive Names that can be used!

[RACooper]

Originally posted by AGDee
That's exactly why I think "under God" should be removed from the pledge of allegiance. I'm fine with saying "under God", I believe in God, I have no troubles with the belief itself that we are a nation, under God. BUT, if someone wanted to substitute Allah, Buddha or the Reverand Cardinal Moon for "God", I would have a huge problem with that. Therefore, I think we should skip that part altogether.

I can understand the arguement for the removal of "under God" from the American pledge of allegiance, but not really for the reasons you cited - many faiths are monotheistic, and believe in "one" God, so "under God" isn't that offensice per se for them... it may relate to other issues... or in the case of other faiths (or lack thereof) the rejection of the belief of any one god.

Believe it or not but the US would have a less complicated time of it, specifically changing the reference to God or a supreme being... in Canada it would require a re-writing of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms (we recognise the existance of a supreme diety as a major part of the document). But the reason the reference to a supreme diety is not really offensive is because it doesn't offend all that many people - Christians, Jews, Muslims, Agnostics, etc. are all okay with the theory of a supreme diety (as long as the actual nature isn't brought up).

[Tom Earp]

OMG, Will wonders Never Cease!