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Old 04-26-2005, 10:08 PM
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That's good. People should not be making a PROFIT on copyrighted materials. I've never purchased anything from that Greek101 place before, but I have heard some things.
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Old 04-27-2005, 03:54 PM
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Copy Rights of real property or symbols is easy to follow the trail, and solve a problem, but the Underground Groups is something entirely different isnt it?

James Madison and SRU being two that come to mind.

Now, with there being no policy statement, where does that leave them and the young men who join these groups.

I beleive someone made a comment, if they are strong groups and would be equitable with said school, why not look into working with them and bringing them back into the fold of LXA?
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Old 04-27-2005, 04:55 PM
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Good post Tom. You are right, it is alot more difficult to make a case against a small group using our name than it is for a retailer producing and selling merchandise with our copyrighted information.

I stated before, if they are willing to come back into the LXA family, why not have them? Would it really be any different than incorporating a local fraternity into LXA?
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Old 04-27-2005, 06:18 PM
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SOS, knew I read that somewhere, Must have been You!

I am thinking about presenting this to IHQ.

Considering this converstion, it might be something to persue.

Maybe, the Underground Groups are of the same hopes?

Has anyone been in contact with These Under Ground Groups?
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Old 04-27-2005, 06:44 PM
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Wow, what a great idea! Hey, while you're at it, would you please tell the IRS I've been evading my income taxes for the past 10 years and would they please grant me complete amnesty? Of course I can't pay any back taxes but they should be happy to welcome me back into the family anyway, don't you think? I'm a very patriotic American, I really am.

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Old 04-27-2005, 06:54 PM
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Jono,

In all seriousness, what are the TKE's and Sigma Tau Gamma's doing with their underground chapters? Ive seen them both work with and re-recognize underground chapters at my college.

Somehow they are able to work it out, maybe someone should ask them

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Old 04-27-2005, 10:49 PM
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Jono, I'll even say HQ isn't as bad as the IRS! LOL! But I do think the IRS had some amnesty programs a few years back with tax evaders.

Hey Tom, maybe you and I could work on this together? I have some ideas and am pretty experienced when dealing with bylaws for groups.

I mean what do we have to lose? Some man hours and travel expenses to check up on the chapters? I've seen HQ waste more money than that on sending dozens of the old C and C to the chapter house. At best, we will have some chapters already in place and paying dues and upholding our standards. We will be able to expand with alot less effort than starting from scratch at these schools. And if I remember correctly, many of them have old alumni already pushing to get some charters back.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:04 PM
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Wow, what a great idea! Hey, while you're at it, would you please tell the IRS I've been evading my income taxes for the past 10 years and would they please grant me complete amnesty? Of course I can't pay any back taxes but they should be happy to welcome me back into the family anyway, don't you think? I'm a very patriotic American, I really am.

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So Bro why not look into it and ask questions? What could it hurt? You skated that long!
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Old 04-29-2005, 02:12 PM
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Sounds like fun visiting the underground chapters, but I
wouldn't get my hopes up.

No one has tried to answer the question posed by many:
"Why not charter the underground chapters?"

With our HQ's readiness to expand, there has to be some
serious reason why re-chartering these undergrounds isn't
being done.

I think you'd find on your visits some reasons why acting
as a local (without all the national rules and dues) while
claiming national affiliation has alot of advantages that
someone (the local or IHQ) wouldn't be willing to
"meet eye to eye on". Ex:

- Rush drenched in alcohol....oh, IHQ has a policy against that???
- Hazing pledges....oh, IHQ has a policy against that??
- INSURANCE DUES??? Are you kidding me??
- Approval from IHQ on every major event?? What's a High Iota?
- We love our little sister organization....free sex for the rushees.

Could go on and on. The kind of guys who join these groups
aren't going to want the extra expense and burden of rules
that come with being "officially recognized", especially if they
think they already have all the benefits (except an annual
visit by an ELC, and we know how all chapters love that!!!)

Of course, you never know until you ask! Good luck!
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Old 04-29-2005, 05:45 PM
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Posed this same question to IHQ and have heard nothing back yet.

As JoinerLXA stated, visitations may not be the thing unless you want to do it on Your own. Would be interesting to hear of Your expliots to say the least!

Will keep You All Posted if hear anything back.
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Old 08-06-2005, 05:39 AM
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BUMP...

A lot of wind was spread on this thread and all of us speculated on How HQ would or wouldnt recognize a group.

This fall, LXA will be recognizing the group that has operated underground at James Madison University. They lost recognition in 1997 and had been operating underground since. They were operating way apart from our standards. One brother even jottted down what he remembered from Rit and they have been performing some version of it since. About two years ago they decided to contact HQ and begin discussions to bring them back 'in the fold'. This fall an offical colonization will occur.

I dont have any other specs - about what will happen to the brothers that were intiated in that time, amnesty, etc. I'm just grateful to have that info.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:05 AM
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Basically that is the only solution that makes sense. Otherwise NOBODY is satisfied with the outcome, underground chapter keeps going on, nationals has another headache.

As much as I thought TKE and Sig Tau were a bit weak in this area, they have always handled the underground chapters of their fraternity at Shippensburg this way.

Glad to see we are being a bit more open minded now.

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That is very good news to hear that you are not getting in any trouble. My fraternity is in the exact same situation. I was a bit worried when i first read this. I dont know what I would do if all of my brothers were getting sued and expelled. We also have the exact same rituals of my national fraternity.
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