Should you "pledge" an Auxiliary Group?

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by Reds6
First and foremost I never compared Delta to any sweetheart organization. I never said they were on the same level at all. But my question is, Is a Soror that was a former sweetheart a flunkee or follower? No. I'm assuming and I could be wrong but when I first went to college a few of you were still in junior high so you never had the opportunity to see first hand what sweethearts do or in my case did. Also in e can argue that Delta does have groupies, they are called girls that are interested. Or back in the day the Pyramid Club. Were I went to school, I found that many sorors had been sweethearts as with many members of other organizations. It wasn't looked odwn upon, because the greek community was close and it was something that most did their freshman year.
Some may think that those who pledged are followers and flunkees. Its jus a difference of opinion. But I would hope that questioning a Soror's character in any case would not be acceptable.

I know about the Pyramid Club. I know people who were members of the Pyramid Club back in the 60's. I don't see anything wrong with being a "groupie" for the organization that you wish to pledge your devotion to. So, there's nothing wrong with being a DST "groupie" in my opinion. I don't see the analogy between the Pyramid Club and a sweetheart organization.

[Reds6]

My point is that one can not question the womanhood of someone they do not know. To say that someone is a flunkee and a follower for something they have chosen to do is judgemental. Again I would never say that I am an Angel, that is in the past. I agree with ChaosDST that Delta supercedes that. My point is not o agrue Delta vs. Sweetheart. Which is more important, because I already know this. My point is that Soror's character is being questioned.
How many came in with the minimum GPA? I had a 3.5, does that make me a better Soror? Should I say those who came in with the minimum GPA, didn't have good study habits and they were probably to busy partying? I would be making a generalization. Truth be told there are some people in Fraternity's and Sorority's that are followers. In my experience we have to be careful when questioning someone's character.

Originally posted by DST_philoso4


I would say, the diff. btw. pyramid club and angels, diamonds etc. is......they aspire to be a member of DST. Within Alpha, Kappa or which ever fraternity, the highest status one can attain, who is a female, is to be an auxillary (little sister) no one is in the pyramid club forever. They aspire to move on to greater things, which is no aspiration/possibility for groupies. Things have changed since then. I do not even condone groupies like Delta beaux's or Zeta Knights, they're all groupies to me. There is no comparison, why even try? Do you know what this is called? Cognitive Resonance. When we try to condone actions we do, even if others were to do certain things, of equal caliber had we not, then it would be considered negative.

[Reds6]

I'm not saying their is but some would say that we do have groupies. I'm not even saying its bad. hell some of us were groupies. There are thise that are so far up our azzes we have to remove them before we take a chit.
I love Delta. There was no other choice for me. Being an Alpha Angel is not even secondary to me, because in my eyes, I am no longer affiliated. But to say that those Sorors or woman that are part of these organizations are followers and groupies are pushing it. There are also organizations such as Alpha wives, etc. (Of which I could have belonged to). What do you think of them?

Originally posted by ChaosDST



I know about the Pyramid Club. I know people who were members of the Pyramid Club back in the 60's. I don't see anything wrong with being a "groupie" for the organization that you wish to pledge your devotion to. So, there's nothing wrong with being a DST "groupie" in my opinion. I don't see the analogy between the Pyramid Club and a sweetheart organization.

[Diva_01]

I feel this discussion will not come to a conclusion, so yes, being a Delta does supercede being a sweetheart, but it does not supercede my friends who are still hearts and Iotas, BECAUSE THEY ARE MY FRIENDS. But I love being a Delta. I just dislike being judged and not respected on a individual choice that I am not ashamed of. I don't ask for your respect. Because I carry myself the way I should, I will get it. That's all sorors. It's not that big of a deal.

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by Reds6
I'm not saying their is but some would say that we do have groupies. I'm not even saying its bad. hell some of us were groupies. There are thise that are so far up our azzes we have to remove them before we take a chit.
I love Delta. There was no other choice for me. Being an Alpha Angel is not even secondary to me, because in my eyes, I am no longer affiliated. But to say that those Sorors or woman that are part of these organizations are followers and groupies are pushing it. There are also organizations such as Alpha wives, etc. (Of which I could have belonged to). What do you think of them?

I wasn't the one that initially used the term groupie...I was using it to make a point. However, we are making quite a few generalizations here. Some of them ARE groupies...I may go so far as to say that the vast majority of them are groupies...but we have some that aren't. My REAL point is that these organizations should not used as a stepping stone to a sorority. Again, I don't think there is an analogy between these organizations and organizations designed for the wives of fraternity men, such as Women of Omega (or whatever they're called now). Although many of these auxiliaries may have been intended for wives and sweethearts of fraternity men, that is usually not their purpose today.


Just my opinion.

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by Diva_01
I feel this discussion will not come to a conclusion, so yes, being a Delta does supercede being a sweetheart, but it does not supercede my friends who are still hearts and Iotas, BECAUSE THEY ARE MY FRIENDS. But I love being a Delta. I just dislike being judged and not respected on a individual choice that I am not ashamed of. I don't ask for your respect. Because I carry myself the way I should, I will get it. That's all sorors. It's not that big of a deal.

We're just having a discussion, not saying that this is a big deal. I wonder why people can't have a discussion without someone eventually saying that. It's not a matter of whether or not you ASK for my respect. My point is that as sorors we should respect one another. That does not mean that we have to accept EVERYTHING one another has to offer. Meaning, I won't disrespect you because of the fact that you associate yourself with your friends, the Iota Sweethearts. My comments were actually intended to be positive...apparently you took them otherwise, which is interesting because this issue is not that big of a deal

[Diva_01]

Thank you soror for saying that. No, you don't have to like everything I do, but I would appreciate the respect that you should have for me as a soror. My sentiments exactly, ChaosDST.

[Diva_01]

We are repeating ourselves, soror, this is true, but like said before this is a discussion, and some are missing the point we either didn't make, or need to word differently. I know that iota sweethearts are recognized by the natinal chapter, and every iota that I met has given me nothing but love before of course, Delta superceded. So I can't speak for other auxillary organizations, but I know that's not true in my case.

[Diva_01]

Then, my question to you would be why become a Delta when everyone in the group doesn't appreciate you? Why become greek when non-greeks challenge you or hate you? To me, that's the same kind of situation.

[RowdyRed]

Originally posted by Diva_01
Then, my question to you would be why become a Delta when everyone in the group doesn't appreciate you? Why become greek when non-greeks challenge you or hate you? To me, that's the same kind of situation.

No matter how much someone claims to love their organization and respect their sorors, EVERYONE isn't going to appreciate you regardless of your past affiliation with an auxillary group or for a whole lot of other reasons - I was never in such a group, but I don't think it is fair for sorors to be questioned or belittled about it later. Their affinity for their auxillary affiliation is no different than someone elses' disdain for the same group!

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by DST_philoso4
Why continue to post if you're going to get upset. It seems as though those, on both sides of the discussion seem to be only repeating themselves. As far as Pyramid Club or whatever and Sweetheart groups being compared, there is none. That means you are showing your devotion to an organization of which you aspire to one day be part of--not solely have a "loose" affiliation. and I say loose because everyone doesn't recognize these groups, in most cases this includes the NATIONAL chapter. Just for example, my boyfriend, who's a member of Omega Psi Phi does not recognize pearls, gems etc. When girls who are in these groups come up to him he totally blows them off. And all of his chapter bruhz are the same way. Not only that, but there is no longer a Pyramid club--well, at least not as far as I know--and I am speaking of Sweetheart orgs. of today, not back in the day when they were still recognized. As far as Alpha's wives or whatever, those have slightly more significance because all of those women have a commitment to a man who belongs to a certain organization vs. sweethearts who just have "loyalties at large." I don't personally see myself in an Omega's wives group, but I would condone the existence of these type of orgs. over general sweetheart orgs.

The point you just made is the point I've been trying to make. As far as the discussion goes, there's always repetition on message boards...and I hope noone on here was getting upset over the mere exchange of varying opinions. I think this was a good discussion.

[Diva_01]

I don't know how to quote, but RowdyRed, you do have a point about affinity/disdain, but my question was not answered. How would you feell if you were in my shoes? My question to you would be...(read last post)? I also do not mean to offend, and it is a good discussion because I get to state my points on one side, and sorors get to state points on the other.

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by Diva_01
I don't know how to quote, but RowdyRed, you do have a point about affinity/disdain, but my question was not answered. How would you feell if you were in my shoes? My question to you would be...(read last post)? I also do not mean to offend, and it is a good discussion because I get to state my points on one side, and sorors get to state points on the other.

Hey soror, I'm going to TRY to answer your question...let me know if I'm misunderstanding it please. I think there may be a perception that you are (again) comparing membership in an auxiliary to membership in DST. Among other things, the dynamics of your memberships are different and your level of recognition for being an Iota Sweetheart is also different than that of your being a Delta.
I think you asked why someone would want to join an organization when they're not appreciated. I don't know what you mean by appreciated. But, you can't please everyone. But I certainly would not recommend someone choosing loyalties to an auxiliary over their sorority. Meaning, if your sweetheartdom isn't "appreciated" by your sorors, you don't have to deny your friends (the sweethearts), but you don't have to speak of your sweetheartdom around the sorors. You don't have to badmouth sweethearts or say anything negative...just leave that aspect of yourself outside. That's not to say that you can't defend sweethearts if someone makes negative generalizations about them.
Why become Greek if non-Greeks have disdain for you? Who cares what people think? Of course we all want to uphold our oaths and do what our Founders had intended...but other than that, you can't please everyone in the audience.
I just don't think anyone should shape their opinion of their sorority based on some of its members' opinions on sweetheart organizations. As humans we may judge eachother or shape our opinions based on such things...but as I was telling you a few posts ago, we need to see pass that and at the best interest for our sororities.

[Diva_01]

Soror, in no way is being a sweetheart equal or comparative to it. No, again, I'm not comparing one to the other. But the question was posed to me as why join an auxillary group if you aren't appreciated by the people you support, because that's what they think the situation unfolds, and I in turn posed the same question back, but as a Delta or greek, but was unanswered. When I answered, knowing both worlds, I said that that it was not the case for me, nor MOST of the hearts that I know, because I do know some that have bad experiences, and some who fall into the stereotype, but it seems like you won't need an answer if my answer was already posed by the questioner, you know what I'm saying? Why ask me if you already included my answer in your question? For example, a soror asked me why I joined if I was nappreciated, and I told her that was not the case with me, and she told me that if I had read her question thoroughly, I would have seen that I was already taken care of. Okay...But what I meant by appreciated is not taken seriously by non-greeks and such, and you answered just fine soror. I agree about separating heartdom from being greek, because it just doesn't mix. I also agree about the answer for disdain for greeks, I do the same thing, because it's true, I can't please everyone. But the question was posed first, why join? And I answered, but I was met with nothing but reasons why I shouldn't. My thing is sorors, you don't have to like my decision, but just be happy for the positives it has brought to my life. Wonderful, supporting friends, great opportunities in community service, and a membership in Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. Without them, I wouldn't be a soror. No disrespect intended.

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by Diva_01
...and a membership in Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. Without them, I wouldn't be a soror. No disrespect intended.

That one confuses me, but nuff said. I feel what you're saying and I think we're still kind of on two separate pages, but atleast we're in the same book now