I Like My Carbs

[preciousjeni]

Now read it.

Originally posted by Rudey
"This year, his approach was vindicated in part by the very medical community that scorned him. In February, some half-dozen studies showed that people on the Atkins diet lost weight without compromising their health. The studies showed that Atkins dieters' cardiovascular risk factors and overall cholesterol profiles changed for the better."

Anyway, it doesn't say that the AMA, specifically, accepted the diet.

Besides, why do you feel the need to reply to my posts and not the other posts about the dangers of high protein diets?

By the way, the AMA does not recommend any high protein diet and, as for JAMA, the articles are by medical professionals but are not in any way endorsed by the AMA.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
Atkins worked for me and for many people I know. We didn't eat a dozen eggs, a pound of butter, or pounds of fatty beef daily.

I have absolutely no doubt that it contributes to weight loss!! I also lost weight with the Atkins plan. But I have major concerns about the effects of weight loss on this plan.

ETA: In support of what you said and contrary to popular belief, you CAN eat PLANT protein on Atkins! You don't ever have to eat red meat if you don't want to.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

My mother's friend started Atkins in the early 1970s due to a family history of heart disease. No one in his family lived to the age of fifty. He is now nearly eighty and suffering from the heart disease that ended the lives of his siblings when they were in their forties. Fortunately, he can now benefit from medical advances that weren't around when his siblings had the same heart problems. Some people might use his condition as evidence that Atkins causes heart disease. He thinks that Atkins helped him to delay the inevitable and extend his life by over 30 years so far.

I agree that moderation is key with any diet. The problem is that people don't realize that there is more than just one phase in Atkins. In phase two you slowly increase carbs intake by 5 grams per week. After two weeks of phase one, you can bet I was dying for some fruit so I ate the sweetest strawberries ever grown. I slowly incorporated brown rice and whole wheat bread. Now that I am the weight that I want to be, I eat almost whatever I want in moderation.

I'm not advocating low carb diets for anyone. Just sharing.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
Now read it.



Anyway, it doesn't say that the AMA, specifically, accepted the diet.

Besides, why do you feel the need to reply to my posts and not the other posts about the dangers of high protein diets?

By the way, the AMA does not recommend any high protein diet and, as for JAMA, the articles are by medical professionals but are not in any way endorsed by the AMA.

You italicized "in part" - "vindicated in part". It wasn't "barely vindicated", it was "vindicated in part"; you can make that "vindicated by 1 part this and 2 parts that".

I have replied to other posts and not just yours. Get over yourself. If you want to make this an issue about you go for it.

The AMA doesn't recommend any diet that I know of. And I didn't say the AMA endorses JAMA articles. You don't even know what the AMA is and its function do you? By the way JAMA is the Journal of the American Medical Association and AMA is the American Medical Association.

-Rudey

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Rudey
The AMA doesn't recommend any diet that I know of. And I didn't say the AMA endorses JAMA articles. You don't even know what the AMA is and its function do you? By the way JAMA is the Journal of the American Medical Association and AMA is the American Medical Association.

-Rudey

Where was there any suggestion that I didn't know the difference between the AMA and JAMA. Of course, I know what they are.

So, where is it that I "always refer to" my brain damage? And, it has been horribly insensitive of you to continually use my ABI to attempt to discredit what I say. The fact is I have a degree and I'm going on to a graduate program so, while it has been a tremendous struggle, I have learned to live with ABI.

It might be of benefit to you to learn a little about ABI/TBI or hear from others who have suffered brain damage and have lived to tell about it. Brain damage does not equal stupid, rather it means that certain functions of the damaged brain aren't as efficient as a healthy brain. And, in many cases, the people who have worked hard at learning different ways to deal with their ABI will not appear to have any problems on the outside. But, that doesn't mean that their damage is still not a daily part of life.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Rudey
I have replied to other posts and not just yours. Get over yourself.

Ok, I've gone back to re-read what you posted. You are correct, so I humbly apologize. My next question then is why do you make personal attacks and cruel comments when someone doesn't agree with you?

[PrincessPhiSig]

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
Atkins worked for me and for many people I know. We didn't eat a dozen eggs, a pound of butter, or pounds of fatty beef daily.

Agreed. Every morning I eat two eggs, for lunch I have a salad with a couple ounces of tuna or chicken or dinner leftovers, and for dinner some sort of meat (around 4 oz) with lots of veggies. Red meat is a rarity. I don't intake tons of fat or lots of calories. I also eat fruit, things such as strawberries and blueberries. Welcome to my Atkins diet.

I'm sure you will all go on believing what you want and that's fine. I disagree that my diet is as unhealthy as many believe it to be. Having not been able to really exercise since mid-February and still having another 4 months or so until I can even run again, Atkins is how I have managed to maintain, and even lose, weight while not being able to run or do any lower body exercises. I plan on continuing to follow this diet even after I fully recover from my injury. Just my $.02.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
Ok, I've gone back to re-read what you posted. You are correct, so I humbly apologize. My next question then is why do you make personal attacks and cruel comments when someone doesn't agree with you?

Dear, you are entirely correct that I was being cruel with that comment and will erase the references. But you are incorrect in that I make cruel statements against anyone who doesn't agree with me. Perhaps it would be best said that I dislike when people try to pass off opinions as facts. You don't like the diet, you feel it's unhealthy, yada yada...fine. I do low carb, I don't like when people refer to it as atkins, I know lots of other healthy people that do it, I read about it, I might be going to med school in a few years and if I do I would encourage it to anyone who wanted to see what options were available to them. But to say this is unhealthy and other diets are better is nothing supported by fact. To pull up news articles and quotes on me when you haven't read them, are rather strange on your part. I will refrain from any cruel comments in the future refering to any medical conditions.

-Rudey

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Rudey
Dear, you are entirely correct that I was being cruel with that comment and will erase the references. But you are incorrect in that I make cruel statements against anyone who doesn't agree with me. Perhaps it would be best said that I dislike when people try to pass off opinions as facts. You don't like the diet, you feel it's unhealthy, yada yada...fine. I do low carb, I don't like when people refer to it as atkins, I know lots of other healthy people that do it, I read about it, I might be going to med school in a few years and if I do I would encourage it to anyone who wanted to see what options were available to them. But to say this is unhealthy and other diets are better is nothing supported by fact. To pull up news articles and quotes on me when you haven't read them, are rather strange on your part. I will refrain from any cruel comments in the future refering to any medical conditions.

-Rudey

Wow! I would never have expected you to say that!! Thank you! I also do low carb, but it's low simple carbs. I just have serious concerns for the health of people eating too much protein (ketosis) and my emphatic disapproval of Atkins is simply because I don't want to see people's health suffer.

[CatStarESP4]

Originally posted by swissmiss04
People who go on diets like the ones already mentioned seem to have problems w/ moderation. They either go all out or get on some crazy self-deprivation kick and neither one can be sustained healthily for any amount of time. Table sugar is bad, but one spoon of sugar in your coffee once a day isn't going to make you gain 50 lbs. Nor is sucrose/sorbitol/saccharin/Splenda very good for you either. When in doubt, just go w/ limited amounts of the real deal rather than all this Olestra and Nutrasweet crap. Anything that causes "anal leakage" isn't going in MY mouth.

I agree! I would rather have the real thing in moderation than have a bigger amount of the substitute junk.

What really bothers me about some diets is that they prefer you to have the artificial sweetners instead of a limited amount of real sugar. What if for any reason you can't tolerate or chose not to have it?

[Sister Havana]

I am the carb queen! I love bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, you name it.

I am trying to lose weight and am doing it with portion control and exercise class 2-3 times a week.

I am two faced! heheh just last week or the week before i said oh i dont miss carbs....now i am singing a new tune........what i would give for a big bowl of mash potatoes and gravy and a subway club on parmasean orgeano

[sairose]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
Wow! I would never have expected you to say that!! Thank you! I also do low carb, but it's low simple carbs. I just have serious concerns for the health of people eating too much protein (ketosis) and my emphatic disapproval of Atkins is simply because I don't want to see people's health suffer.

Yes, this is also what I was trying to get at, but didn't quite get right.

My reason for being anti-low carb diets is because I worry about long-term health. I don't think there is enough research one way or another to DEFINATELY say it; but my point: while it's not known whether low carb diets can cause health problem, it IS known that a traditional "diet" (reduce calories and bad fats, eat more veggies and fruit, and whole grains) DOES NOT cause health problems. You lose weight to benefit your health...so, I personally would feel better on a traditional diet than something like Atkins.

And it IS true that most people eat too many carbs. The trick is distinguishing the good ones from the bad, but still reducing them. Carbs are necessary for energy, especially when working out.

And I agree with whoever said it about processed foods and low fat versions of foods. I used to eat lots of low fat versions, especially of chips, snack cakes, etc. Thing is...they just made me hungrier because of all the refined sugar. I complained to my doctor about how I was losing weight, but I was always hungry. I was so shocked when he said I was not consuming ENOUGH fat! But the truth is, healthy fats (like in nuts, fish, peanut butter) help you feel full. It's deceptive because people think low fat always means better, when in reality, it's making things worse. I have also noticed that natural foods tend to be more satisfying anyways. I love organic produce, but it's hard to find! Especially carrots...they taste soooo much better (the organic kind).

Rudey, a quick note. You have a right to feel how you do about your diet. BUt folks like me, or preciousjeni, have just as much right to speak out against it. I'm not trying to attack you, but please try to be a little kinder.

[XOMichelle]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
there's a reason we crave carbs. It's because we need them so much! However, I've come to the conclusion, after much research (mind you, this is my personal opinion!) that grains are not as vital a source of carbs as fruits. In centuries past, grains were a relatively quick and easy source of calories in a world where starvation abounded.

These days, most of the nutrients and fiber found in whole grains can be found also in vegetables. And the carbs found in fruits is much easier for your body to digest than the carbs in any kind of processed foods (I'm talking sucrose and other loveliness like that).

So, I've found that the California Food Pyramid works best for me and my circumstances. Fruits and Vegetables at the base, High Fiber Cereals and Grains as well as Starchy Vegetables next, then Protein from Plant and Animal Sources and finally Taste Enhancers (Rather than Fats, Sweets and Oils).

I totally agree!! I don't really understand this high carb/ low carb thing... I think we need to eat sensibly by trying to make vegetables, fruits, high fiber foods, and lean protein the staples of our diets. Add a little bit of restricted caloric intake and exersise, and that is all you need for a healthy life. Quite simple, as far as I am concerned!!

[XOMichelle]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
Ok, I've gone back to re-read what you posted. You are correct, so I humbly apologize. My next question then is why do you make personal attacks and cruel comments when someone doesn't agree with you?

Don't let him get to you Jeni! You have lots of good things to say.