Presidential Politics '04: The "Black Vote" Does it Exist?

[Lady of Pearl]

I don't believe either candidate represents or is concerened about the Black population especially when neither showed up at the recent NAACP convention, that was telling. Though I registered as a Democrat years ago, I'm becoming more of an independent-looking at each candidate and where they stand on the issues, I am more concerened about that and where they stand morally also, on abortion and gay marriages,which as a Christian I am opposed to. So, it will be very difficult for me to make a decision. I agree with someone earlier who said Blacks are not monolithic in their thinking and there are a majority of us who are trying to vote consciously.

[Exquisite5]

Originally posted by Lady of Pearl
I am more concerened about that and where they stand morally also, on abortion and gay marriages,which as a Christian I am opposed to. So, it will be very difficult for me to make a decision. I agree with someone earlier who said Blacks are not monolithic in their thinking and there are a majority of us who are trying to vote consciously.

My sister in Christ, please remember that just as Blacks are not monolithic in their thinking, neither are Christians.

I think that your statement, "which as a Christian I am opposed to," perhaps purposefully, perhaps not, implies that a pro-life stance is the "Christian" vote. I am a Christian and I believe abortion is wrong, but I don't believe this moral issue should be legislated. Do I believe abortion is wrong? Yes. Do I believe its a sin? Yes. Do I believe what I consider sinful should be conferred on the rest of the nation? No. Thus, I am pro-choice- I don't believe its any of the government's business.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Lady of Pearl
I don't believe either candidate represents or is concerened about the Black population especially when neither showed up at the recent NAACP convention, that was telling. Though I registered as a Democrat years ago, I'm becoming more of an independent-looking at each candidate and where they stand on the issues, I am more concerened about that and where they stand morally also, on abortion and gay marriages,which as a Christian I am opposed to. So, it will be very difficult for me to make a decision. I agree with someone earlier who said Blacks are not monolithic in their thinking and there are a majority of us who are trying to vote consciously.

You're on the right track. Folks need to quit being in bondage to a particular party and vote on the candidate and the issues..I personally don't see how anyone could vote for a candidate that is outwardly for something like homosexual marriage..that in my opinion adds to the destruction of the already failing "core family" in America...but thats just me. Christians all read from the same book..but folks begin to interpret what they want to fit their own lifestyles and agendas..and they convince themselves that they do not have to stand for certain things. Bush isn't perfect..but he's got guts to come out in this moralLESS society and profess Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour. I respect him highly for not necessarily saying what's popular...but standing firm by his convictions. In my opinion..this is the last President we'll have that will this and be elected.

[Exquisite5]

I received this from a friend. I don't know where he got it from or anything about its legitimacy, but since I believe in free thought, I'll let you decide.

> The Lord has a way of revealing those of us who really

> know him, and those that don't!!!

>

> Think about it!

>

> Bush gave a big speech last week about how his faith

> is so "important" to him. In this attempt to convince

> the American people that we should consider him for

> president, he announced that his favorite Bible verse

> is John 16:3.

>

> Of course the speech writer meant John 3:16, but

> nobody in the Bush camp was familiar enough with

> scripture to catch the error.

>

> And do you know what John 16:3 says?

>

> John 16:3 says; "And they will do this because they

> have not known the Father nor Me."

>

> The Holy Spirit works in strange ways.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by Exquisite5
I received this from a friend. I don't know where he got it from or anything about its legitimacy, but since I believe in free thought, I'll let you decide.

> The Lord has a way of revealing those of us who really

> know him, and those that don't!!!

>

> Think about it!

>

> Bush gave a big speech last week about how his faith

> is so "important" to him. In this attempt to convince

> the American people that we should consider him for

> president, he announced that his favorite Bible verse

> is John 16:3.

>

> Of course the speech writer meant John 3:16, but

> nobody in the Bush camp was familiar enough with

> scripture to catch the error.

>

> And do you know what John 16:3 says?

>

> John 16:3 says; "And they will do this because they

> have not known the Father nor Me."

>

> The Holy Spirit works in strange ways.

LOL. I got that in an email too, right after I received this email......
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This is eerie...and something to think about since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages. The following verse is from the Quran, (the Islamic Bible)...


Quran (9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.


(Note the verse number!!!!!)
Pray For And Be Proud Of Our Troops

God Bless America

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
You're on the right track. Folks need to quit being in bondage to a particular party and vote on the candidate and the issues..I personally don't see how anyone could vote for a candidate that is outwardly for something like homosexual marriage..that in my opinion adds to the destruction of the already failing "core family" in America...but thats just me. Christians all read from the same book..but folks begin to interpret what they want to fit their own lifestyles and agendas..and they convince themselves that they do not have to stand for certain things. Bush isn't perfect..but he's got guts to come out in this moralLESS society and profess Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour. I respect him highly for not necessarily saying what's popular...but standing firm by his convictions. In my opinion..this is the last President we'll have that will this and be elected.

This election IMO will boil down to social issues because most of the issues that Kerry and Bush differ on ARE social issues, which for SOME of us voters, are HEAVILY influenced by a personal's morals and values. And yes, that will include those of us are religious and are not afraid to be vocal about it and not waiver.

For example, does everyone know that both Bush and Kerry OPPOSE an immediate withdrawl of troops in Iraq? Or that they both oppose universal healthcare? Both Bush and Kerry support NAFTA (which a lot of critics believe is the main reason jobs are being moved overseas, but that's another thread)? Its when you check out their views of more social issues such as religion in government (i.e. displaying of the 10 commandments, gay marriage, etc.) that they differ.

Even with a war and a crappy economy, I do believe that Bush will win the 2004 election. Mainly because in general, no one knows where Kerry stands on anything - except that its always the opposite of Bush (which when compared to his past voting record is totally opposite). Bush says up, Kerry say down. Bush says left, Kerry says right. But when you examine Kerry's previous stances (some current) they were aligned with Bush's current views.

There are A LOT of undecided votes in this election, but I believe that it will be this inconsistency that will cause those are currently on the fence to vote for Bush.

I think as time goes by and as more and more Af. Am. will gradually come "to the center" or become registered Independants and will began to vote on ISSUES (whether it be based on your own morals, values, etc.) as opposed to PARTIES.
Because frankly, it really does boil down to who is the lesser of two evils in politics. But then again, I think our whole political process is jacked up anyway. But that's another thread.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
This election IMO will boil down to social issues because most of the issues that Kerry and Bush differ on ARE social issues, which for SOME of us voters, are HEAVILY influenced by a personal's morals and values. And yes, that will include those of us are religious and are not afraid to be vocal about it and not waiver.

For example, does everyone know that both Bush and Kerry OPPOSE an immediate withdrawl of troops in Iraq? Or that they both oppose universal healthcare? Both Bush and Kerry support NAFTA (which a lot of critics believe is the main reason jobs are being moved overseas, but that's another thread)? Its when you check out their views of more social issues such as religion in government (i.e. displaying of the 10 commandments, gay marriage, etc.).

Even with a war and a crappy economy, I do believe that Bush will win the 2004 election. Mainly because in general, no one knows where Kerry stands on anything - except that its always the opposite of Bush (which when compared to his past voting record is totally opposite). Bush says up, Kerry say down. Bush says left, Kerry says right. But when you examine Kerry's previous stances (some current) they were aligned with Bush's current views.

There are A LOT of undecided votes in this election, but I believe that it will be this inconsistency that will cause those are currently on the fence to vote for Bush.

I think as time goes by and as more and more Af. Am. will gradually come "to the center" or become registered Independants and will began to vote on ISSUES (whether it be based on your own morals, values, etc.) as opposed to PARTIES.
Because frankly, it really does boil down to who is the lesser of two evils in politics. But then again, I think our whole political process is jacked up anyway. But that's another thread.

Girl after you post...I never have anything else to add LOL...so i'll just say good post

[AXEAM]

Don't believe the hype.....people are concerned about the economy w/ so many people facing bankruptcy and having their homes taken away by the bank it's a safe bet they're going to remember why come November. As far as the war is going many Bush supporters are turning towards Kerry why.....because their kids are dying (These are people who love America and put their trust in Bush only to get it rammed up them w/no grease) they're going to remember this come November. Bush's days are numbered and thank God for that, barring another Florida election scam Kerry will win this election, not because America doesn't know what he'll do but b/c America has seen what Bush has done.......which is NOTHING! Oh and you better believe that the Black vote exists and you'll see it big time this year, in my frat's attempt to register blacks to vote we have been swamped w/ brothers and sisters trying to register to vote.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by AXEAM
Don't believe the hype.....people are concerned about the economy w/ so many people facing bankruptcy and having their homes taken away by the bank it's a safe bet they're going to remember why come November. As far as the war is going many Bush supporters are turning towards Kerry why.....because their kids are dying (These are people who love America and put their trust in Bush only to get it rammed up them w/no grease) they're going to remember this come November. Bush's days are numbered and thank God for that, barring another Florida election scam Kerry will win this election, not because America doesn't know what he'll do but b/c America has seen what Bush has done.......which is NOTHING! Oh and you better believe that the Black vote exists and you'll see it big time this year, in my frat's attempt to register blacks to vote we have been swamped w/ brothers and sisters trying to register to vote.

I hear your point. Hopefully people will be motivated to get out and do something (I won't get on my electoral college soapbox ) But regarding the things that you mentioned in your post, how (and I'm serious - not trying to be a slick) economically how is Kerry different from Bush? What does Kerry plan to do about the situation in Iraq?

Because as I stated in my previous post - reagrding those two issue, they both share the same viewpoint and idea.

[AXEAM]

Well w/ the war in Iraq that's a hard one to answer truth be told we are so deep into it now all Kerry can do is negotiate w/ other nations in an attempt to send troops while pulling back some of ours. I also believe those nations will see Kerry as more of a credible person unlike old lying cowboy Bush. I also believe Kerry has the interpersonal skills to bridge the rift w/European nations that was created by cowboy Bush, the economy seems to fair better under the Democratic Presidents maybe because they seem to be in touch w/ the common man/woman unlike the GOP who places big business as it's #1 priority.

[sigtau305]

Originally posted by Lady of Pearl
I don't believe either candidate represents or is concerened about the Black population especially when neither showed up at the recent NAACP convention, that was telling. Though I registered as a Democrat years ago, I'm becoming more of an independent-looking at each candidate and where they stand on the issues, I am more concerened about that and where they stand morally also, on abortion and gay marriages,which as a Christian I am opposed to. So, it will be very difficult for me to make a decision.

I'm waiting for a Debate between Dick Cheney and John Edwards that's supposed to be schedule sometime this September or Octobor at Case Western Reserve University. I just like to hear their Plans/ Views on the current Status of America.

[AXEAM]

Kerry did speak @ the NAACP convention it was Bush who failed to show up I hope that helps w/ your decision making when you vote.

[Lady of Pearl]

Thank you Love Spell 6 for your opinion, Yes Christians do tend to interpret the Bible to suit their own purposes, As stated previously that all Christians shouldn't be monolithic, excuse me last time I checked, the Bible was not an option it states thou shalt not kill and that includes the innocent lives of unborn children. That's why I think America is under judgment and the Arab Nations want no part of our so called American Values and or Western Culture. If my people who are called by my name would humble themselves and pray, turn from their wicked ways then you would hear from heaven and I -God would heal their land. I don't know if I quoted it exactly verbatim but you get the point! America-(Government should be held accountable for abortion) God is not pleased when we do this!

[Lady of Pearl]

Last I heard AXEAM with the media coverage in my state it was that neither showed up for the NAACP convention -and the Rev. Jesse Jackson even spoke out about their abscence,as I stated before I am not voting for the candidate,- I am voting for the issues,do we want jobs or abortion, as someone stated but I was hesitant to say it, who is the lesser of two evils!

[AXEAM]

I stand by my post Kerry did attend and spoke @ the NAACP convention where he blasted Bush for not showing up.