Another cultural phenomenon: Rape

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Cloud9
On that, I do agree, just as it's stupid to focus only on the bad, it's stupid to ignore the bad that does exist. Islam is not evil, the Middle East is not an inherently "bad" place, however, this particular issue is an awful one, and should not be condoned. Culture is not an excuse. It's not an excuse anywhere. That should be the focus of the discussion. Rape is not acceptable, I don't care if an entire population endorses it as a part of tradition, it's still wrong.

The point is that the validity of culture ANYwhere, including here, does not extend to the abuse of other human beings.

Yes and trying to skirt around the issue by saying don't generalize because the US has problems does nothing.

-Rudey
--And while the US has problems - it doesn't to the extent of most other countries. People need to deal with that.

[Cloud9]

Originally posted by Rudey
Yes and trying to skirt around the issue by saying don't generalize because the US has problems does nothing.

-Rudey
--And while the US has problems - it doesn't to the extent of most other countries. People need to deal with that.

Yes, understood. Does that make those problems less valid? Just because I'm relatively better off here than there doesn't mean that things here shouldn't be improved. Would you stab someone in the leg and then in court argue, "yeah, but I didn't kill anyone, you should be thanking me, you were lucky!"

But we're moving off the point again.

Point = rape is awful, there is NO excuse.

[damasa]

Originally posted by Rudey
Yes and trying to skirt around the issue by saying don't generalize because the US has problems does nothing.

-Rudey
--And while the US has problems - it doesn't to the extent of most other countries. People need to deal with that.

Come on man, Americans are the cause of everything bad in this world.


If we step in we are to blame somehow.

If we stay out we are to blame for not doing anything.

Then again some people on this board love to get their shots in at the American Gov't or the American culture themselves.

I find it hard to believe they would do so while being a member of an organization that was founded in such a culture, created with American views and influence.

10 points to, eh, I'll give it to Rudey.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Cloud9
Yes, understood. Does that make those problems less valid? Just because I'm relatively better off here than there doesn't mean that things here shouldn't be improved. Would you stab someone in the leg and then in court argue, "yeah, but I didn't kill anyone, you should be thanking me, you were lucky!"

This is the very point others seem to be promulgating, ie "You're a racist! This stuff happens in the US too!"

First, those ideas couldn't be more unrelated . . . sigh, moving on.

Second, the fact that the behavior is mirrored other places does not serve to excuse it in any one place, nor does it make it any more ripe for the palate, nor does it remove the fact that basic human rights are not available to a HUGE segment of the population. I realize this works in reverse, as well, but I feel like that part of this paragraph will go ignored.

Third, the fact that the behavior is far more prevalent in, and is in fact ingrained in the belief structure of, the culture is what is being examined here. No one said that all Muslims should be raped so they can see what their women feel like, or any other such intense drivel.

Also, no one claimed all who practice Islam are rapists.

In fact, this has nothing to do with Islam as a practice, as that is a FRIGGING RELIGION, and we're talking about cultural abnormalities.

So let's discuss from there.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Rudey
Honestly go back to the military because I can't see a use for your intellectual talents anywhere outside of an environment where people tell you what to do.

Everything you said is complete crap. Please stop talking to me because you are an idiot and I haven't seen you post one intelligent thing. Honestly you even make me hate Canadians and that's hard because they don't do anything to anyone except eskimos.

-Rudey
--I am putting you on ignore now so feel free to respond and not have me read it.

So your pissed off, because what I said, and you felt it was complete crap.... well that's why I was pissed off with your comments.

You seem to think that rape is a culturally determined thing, but in fact it crosses cultures and isn't about the sex (except for a small percentage). Rape is about control, humiliation, or anger. Every culture is guilty of having segements of it that have commited rape that was accepted, Muslims, Christians, Americans, Canadians, Black, White....... What I object to is your juvenile and reprehensible tendence to reduce things to a simple black or white issue, good or evil, right or wrong.... guess what in the real world most issues fall in the grey middle ground and aren't as simple as you make them sound.

As for putting me on ignore.... you just proved one of my earlier points of not accepting, hearing, or considering ideas or opinions that fall outside your narrow view. I don't close off myself to other opinions because they might be right, or a least let me see another facet of an argument.... maybe you should too.

[Cloud9]

Originally posted by KSig RC
This is the very point others seem to be promulgating, ie "You're a racist! This stuff happens in the US too!"

Nice try, but that's not what I said. Read again. I don't condone anyone who engages in inhumane activities and tries to call it culture. N-E-where. Is that so hard to comprehend?

Anyways, I don't think any of you are out to get the Muslims or the Middle Easterns. But I think there are alot of idiots out there who WOULD read the same ideas in this thread and use it to take the perspective that everyone with a turban automatically rapes and pillages. That is what I'm addressing.

Get it?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Cloud9
Nice try, but that's not what I said. Read again. I don't condone anyone who engages in inhumane activities and tries to call it culture. N-E-where. Is that so hard to comprehend?

Anyways, I don't think any of you are out to get the Muslims or the Middle Easterns. But I think there are alot of idiots out there who WOULD read the same ideas in this thread and use it to take the perspective that everyone with a turban automatically rapes and pillages. That is what I'm addressing.

Get it?

I don't care much for the idiots, nor am I responsible for their actions. They are idiots because of what they do, not what I do. Ask Cooper.

-Rudey
--He seems to have difficulty adjusting to civilian life...too much thinking or something involved.

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by Rudey
Jesus Christ is the only way to go. Otherwise you're going to hell and nobody will save you child.

-Rudey
--It's Rudey with an "e" and not 2 "d"s oh illiterate one who can't read or spell.

I am just going to laugh at your above post (and you tell me I'm retarded...ok! )

Anyways, I suggest you judge yourself and your "values" before you look at war torn countries and applying their actions onto other Muslim people. You also need to take culture-sensitivity classes because you lack a world view...in other words, you are a NARROW-MINDED, wanna-be intellectual! and when someone challenges your point of view..you regress to words like idiots, retarded, etc... what does that say about you?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
I am just going to laugh at your above post (and you tell me I'm retarded...ok! )

Anyways, I suggest you judge yourself and your "values" before you look at war torn countries and applying their actions onto other Muslim people. You also need to take culture-sensitivity classes because you lack a world view...in other words, you are a NARROW-MINDED, wanna-be intellectual! and when someone challenges your point of view..you regress to words like idiots, retarded, etc... what does that say about you?

In other words you can't respond to what I, Damasa, K Sig RC, even cloud9 said? You just say I'm racist. So I like to respond that you're retarded. It's along the same lines.

Once again, Islam wasn't brought up.

And hey I know I'm smart - some might say even an intellectual. I've got the degree, the scores, the job, and the general approval of people I care about to let me know. What do you have?

-Rudey
--The answer is nothing...not even a GLO.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Cloud9
Nice try, but that's not what I said. Read again. I don't condone anyone who engages in inhumane activities and tries to call it culture. N-E-where. Is that so hard to comprehend?

No, I understood what you were saying. My point was that the points of others were similar in nature, and thus you shouldn't defend their viewpoint, as it runs contrary to your own.

You've made sense here, unlike some others.

[Optimist Prime]

Originally posted by _Opi_

Anyways, I suggest you judge yourself and your "values" before you look at war torn countries and applying their actions onto other Muslim people.

France is not a war torn country.

[Tom Earp]

Rape.

Can it be done by both the Female and Male Gender?

Is it the insecurity of the individual who is the perporatrator?

Why is religion or race even brought into this thread.?

Is it I am Christian all else are bad, I am Islammic, everyone else is bad, I am White or black, are all others bad who are not my color!

[_Opi_]

OPtimiste Prime,

I am talking about the countries of the immigrants in france.

Rudey,

And hey I know I'm smart - some might say even an intellectual. I've got the degree, the scores, the job, and the general approval of people I care about to let me know. What do you have? --The answer is nothing...not even a GLO.

lol, Why are you telling me what you have? Looks like you are trying to convince me you have credentials (as if I care !) . Also, is it an issue to you that I don't belong to a GLO?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
OPtimiste Prime,

I am talking about the countries of the immigrants in france.

Rudey,



lol, Why are you telling me what you have? Looks like you are trying to convince me you have credentials (as if I care !) . Also, is it an issue to you that I don't belong to a GLO?

Again, you really are retarded. Everyone has shown you that by making comments about you. You haven't said a single thing that made sense and nobody cares. At the end of the day you're just some damn loser who doesn't have letters - that kind matters when you spend time on a website for those that are greek.

-Rudey
--And if you ever are graced with letters, I feel so sorry for that org.

[_Opi_]

^ lmao, are you forreal? I guess the only thing you got to your name is your letters..and thats what makes you who you are, right? well hon, I don' t know how y'all do it where your from, but I have alot of greek friends who tell me that "you make the letters, the letters don't make you"...in any case, this chatroom is not exclusively greek..there are some GDIs in here as well (if you havent noticed)..so I don't know what kind of points you are tryna make.

you r truly sad, sad being!!!!!

ps: I am graced with alot of things..and I don't need letters to tell me who I should be..or join an org to gain some friends who "care"....Ok!