Anti-War Protesters.... - Page 6

MooseGirl · #76 03-23-2003, 06:49 PM

There are so many thoughts in my head, I don't know where to start....but I do know some have been stated by others, so I will not repeat much.

Although I'm anti-war, I do agree that that the anti-war protests should cool down a bit out of respect for your president and your compatriots who are over there fighting. that is COOL DOWN...not stop.

I cannot judge whether this war is necessary or not...ppl talk of liberation, etc....but you cannot judge a culture that you don't really know and especially not by your own country's standards. (There are so many contradicting reports who knows how bad or not bad it is over there?)

now the Canada thing

You know what...you guys are stronger and more powerful and richer too i think. That's why i don't like you(sometimes) because we are overly influenced by you. You could invade and takeover Canada if you wanted, but you don't want to - which is good. Just because we are friends doesn't mean we always have to agree - contrary to popular belief, Canadians and Americans are not the same. We have our own values, beliefs and morals. And you know what? we can make some of our decisions by ourselves. I could go on and on on this subject, but I won't. I just want to let you know that there are other ppl and countries out there, and that we all don't have to agree with the US all the time.

damasa · #77 03-23-2003, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by MooseGirl

now the Canada thing You know what...you guys are stronger and more powerful and richer too i think. That's why i don't like you(sometimes) because we are overly influenced by you. You could invade and takeover Canada if you wanted, but you don't want to - which is good. Just because we are friends doesn't mean we always have to agree - contrary to popular belief, Canadians and Americans are not the same. We have our own values, beliefs and morals. And you know what? we can make some of our decisions by ourselves. I could go on and on on this subject, but I won't. I just want to let you know that there are other ppl and countries out there, and that we all don't have to agree with the US all the time.

I just want to let you know that you shouldn't talk to all 'Americans" as they are one person. Not all Americans feel that the whole world should agree with our government or make decisions based on the decisions of our government. I agree that we don't have to agree, and on many things our countries don't. That is what makes our countries different. If we always agreed, what the hell would be the point of U.S./Canada, you know?

The point is that a lot of Americans do not agree with the recent decisions of our president or our government. I would be one of those people. You can see this by all the recent protests in our country. But what is done is already done. The powers that be have made the decision to go to war and send our men and women into battle. I will never turn my back on the troops, never.

But the rest of the world acts as if what the U.S. is doing is so horrid and wrong or unjust. But Saddam hasn't been horrid, cruel, unjust to many people in his own country? The Iraq debate has been ignored for far too long and I feel for many of the people in that country. Hopefully the U.S. will have a chance to liberate the country from the Hussein regime.

MooseGirl · #78 03-23-2003, 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by damasa
I just want to let you know that you shouldn't talk to all 'Americans" as they are one person. Not all Americans feel that the whole world should agree with our government or make decisions based on the decisions of our government.

I know that...replace all "you" with "your gov't"

(you was easier to type)

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But the rest of the world acts as if what the U.S. is doing is so horrid and wrong or unjust. But Saddam hasn't been horrid, cruel, unjust to many people in his own country?

many ppl feel the same towards the US, as the US feel towards Iraq. Well ok, not exactly, but I mean some ppl feel the US is as great a threat as Iraq is to their lives/country - not talking about what is/isn't happening in Iraq. I do not think the US is as horrid as Iraq, but like I posted above, who am i to judge?

damasa · #79 03-23-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by MooseGirl
I know that...replace all "you" with "your gov't" (you was easier to type)

many ppl feel the same towards the US, as the US feel towards Iraq. Well ok, not exactly, but I mean some ppl feel the US is as great a threat as Iraq is to their lives/country - not talking about what is/isn't happening in Iraq. I do not think the US is as horrid as Iraq, but like I posted above, who am i to judge?

Many people around the world feel that the U.S. has grown too strong. Maybe that one day the U.S. will say screw it and start invading other countries for the hell of it. I seriously doubt that would happen but I could see how some might feel that way. But at the same time, they don't stop to look at the billions of dollars the U.S. gov't dishes out each year to many countries around the world for aid and other related expenses.

I say the U.S. should just stop policing the world, just stick to our country and let everyone else fend for themselves. I wonder how long it would be before someone would intervene and ask the United States for assistance. I bet it wouldn't be long. Why? Because many people feel that the U.S. is the only country capable of giving the assistance that many countries need or desire. And IMO, just being an American and all, we have been pretty generous....
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edited to add) generous to the point where sometimes I feel our country gives aid to other countries prior to improving conditions in our own counrty. (Better education, finding our unemployed jobs, aiding our homeless, cleaning up our cities, etc.)

Our gov't and country may not be perfect, not by any means. But in recent events, everything good that our country has done has been overshadowed....

DeltAlum · #80 03-23-2003, 08:29 PM

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In fact during Vietnam "fragging" officers (tossing grenades into their tents) was a common practice.

Well, it did happen, but fortunately I don't think it could be considered a common practice.

Sistermadly · #81 03-23-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by damasa
I just want to let you know that you shouldn't talk to all 'Americans" as they are one person.

*stands up and cheers*

Oh and on fragging (I know you didn't say this damasa): nice way to reduce the lives of innocent people down to video game terminology.

KillarneyRose · #82 03-23-2003, 08:54 PM

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Oh and on fragging (I know you didn't say this damasa): nice way to reduce the lives of innocent people down to video game terminology.

Well, it has to be called something, doesn't it? Everything has a name.

It would be unwieldy to have to tell people you needed to use your programmable electronic device that can store, retrieve, and process data everytime you signed onto your computer, right?

#83 03-23-2003, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by Sistermadly
*stands up and cheers*

Oh and on fragging (I know you didn't say this damasa): nice way to reduce the lives of innocent people down to video game terminology.

uh, just so you know, that term has been around since at least the Vietnam war.

as per dictionary.com:

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frag

n.,v. [from Vietnam-era U.S. military slang] To wound or kill (a fellow soldier) by throwing a grenade or similar explosive at the victim: “He got fragged. Blown away”

I'm gonna have to say, way to go gamer geeks for using MILITARY terminology.

Kitso
KS 361

Kevin · #84 03-23-2003, 10:15 PM

Chemical weapons factory found in Al Najaf... Thanks Chemical Weapons Inspectors.. Took you 12 years. We found it in 3 days.

DeltAlum · #85 03-23-2003, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by Sistermadly
*stands up and cheers*

Oh and on fragging (I know you didn't say this damasa): nice way to reduce the lives of innocent people down to video game terminology.

The term "fragging" has been around at least since the Vietnam Conflict. It has been used since then by the military and media.

*edit*

Sorry Aggie -- didn't see the first part of your post above. You're correct.

As for the Chemical Plant, at least for now, only FOX is calling it a "Chemical Weapons Factory." Others are being a little more conservative until the military experts confirm what was being manufactured there. It is pretty suspect that it was apparantely pretty well hidden from both air and ground levels.

#86 03-24-2003, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by Sistermadly
And people are being blown to smithereens by their fellow troops. Tell me, how is this helping our country?

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*stands up and cheers*

Oh and on fragging (I know you didn't say this damasa): nice way to reduce the lives of innocent people down to video game terminology.

Nice way to reduce the lives of innocent people down to cartoon terminology.

Hey Kettle, this is Pot, did you know you're Black??

Kitso
KS 361

Sistermadly · #87 03-24-2003, 01:15 AM

Someone throws a grenade into a tent where officers are.

When grenades and people mix - people are blown to smithereens.

Thanks for the clarification on the term fragging - and yes, it has to be called something, but why not say what it really is? Words like 'fragging' put too much of an empty rhetorical spin on things. I think if we said what really happened during war - showed it in all it's technicolor gore and 'glory' - people might be a lot less likely to support it.

But then, I'm the same person who won't see violent movies because I think it makes it too easy to dehumanize people.

Kevin · #88 03-24-2003, 01:44 AM

If the factory found tonight turns out to be a factory for chemical agents I think we'll have the validation and justification for war that is sorely needed. We know it's there. If we've found it then I think any valid objections are going to disappear (unless you just believe that bombs are always wrong).

Unfortunately I see a side of this that might not be so good. If Iraq's leadership knows they've been found out they lose any reason they had NOT to use WMD before. They will now be MUCH more likely to unleash them.

DeltAlum · #89 03-24-2003, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by Sistermadly
Someone throws a grenade into a tent where officers are.

When grenades and people mix - people are blown to smithereens.

Thanks for the clarification on the term fragging - and yes, it has to be called something, but why not say what it really is? Words like 'fragging' put too much of an empty rhetorical spin on things.

This may need a little more clarification. The word is not just something out of a vivid imagination.

The term "fragging" comes from fragmentation -- which is the type of grenade used. I think that word speaks for itself.

There are also smoke grenades, concussion grenades and many other types.

VirtuousErudite · #90 03-24-2003, 01:56 AM

I have a question for the people who have stated that they are against the protests because they are blocking traffic, making noise, ect. Are you against Pro-War marchers as well who block traffic and chant "God Bless America" in the streets? Traffic is still being blocked and noise is still being made. Just a question.