Plight @ Institutions of Higher Learning

[abaici]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
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Well, maybe the difference is the public versus private.
It is not uncommon (here).

I guess so...thanks for the clarification.

[Neosoulchild]

Originally posted by abaici
Southern offers correspondance and internet courses? Seems pretty hi-tech for an HBCU. Especially, since I graduated in 1998 and Spelman did not have phone or online registration at the time.

Shaq went to LSU not Southern

[CountryGurl]

Originally posted by Wonderful1908
I even remember the man who chaged the grades, its a shame for HBCU's but especially Southern.

So far the University has fired Mr. Cleo Carroll (sp) for changing grades but I wonder how that will hold up being that from 1995-1999 he was working at the SUNO campus.

[abaici]

Originally posted by Neosoulchild
Shaq went to LSU not Southern

and I knew that. sorry

[LB1914]

Originally posted by CountryGurl
So far the University has fired Mr. Cleo Carroll (sp) for changing grades but I wonder how that will hold up being that from 1995-1999 he was working at the SUNO campus.

Carroll was working right there in Harris Hall and in Stewart Hall(during the renovation in Harris), so he was at SUBR the whole time. He is a friend of the family, so I used to see him pretty often(no, I never got any grades changed-Thank God).

[LB1914]

Originally posted by abaici
Can someone tell me what is general studies?? Is that similar to Liberal Arts?

At LSU, the General Studies major is set up where a person basically has three minors. My ex-wife, an LSU alumnus, has a friend that got a General Studies degree from there and honestly still does not have a "good" job after being out of undergrad for nearly six years. It is definitely not in the same category as Liberal Arts, at least not in that neck of the woods.

I am sure that Shaq at least did some work in order to complete the degree, but I do find it somewhat ironic that he didn't push to get his degree until after it was announced that a person had to have graduated from LSU in order to be in the Sports Hall of Fame and receive other accolades.

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by CountryGurl
So far the University has fired Mr. Cleo Carroll (sp) for changing grades but I wonder how that will hold up being that from 1995-1999 he was working at the SUNO campus.

In Friday's Times-Picayune, it said that SUNO (Southern Univ @ New Orleans) will do it's own investigation.

[RedefinedDiva]

From my understanding, General Studies was just a "dumping ground" kind of major. It lets you take courses across the spectrum with no defined prescription. As long as you have a total of x amount of credit hours, you can graduate. GS (to me) means that you have put your hands in almost any and all majors. Therefore, you really don't have a definite grasp on one concept like you would had you focused completely on Nursing, English, Engineering, etc.

[LB1914]

Originally posted by RedefinedDiva
From my understanding, General Studies was just a "dumping ground" kind of major. It lets you take courses across the spectrum with no defined prescription. As long as you have a total of x amount of credit hours, you can graduate. GS (to me) means that you have put your hands in almost any and all majors. Therefore, you really don't have a definite grasp on one concept like you would had you focused completely on Nursing, English, Engineering, etc.

That's true. LSU raised the standards to get into certain majors, so a lot of students were left out in the cold. You needed at least a 3.0 overall in your lower-level work in order to major in anything in the College of Business and some other colleges, so a lot of students ended up in either General Studies or other majors as a result. As an English major, I am insulted whenever I hear my major or other Liberal Arts majors being placed in the same category.

[Bella Pearl 08]

My formative years were spent in a majority white environment so I experienced the implications of racism. Since I was young at the time, it was confusing to distinguish patronizing and polite behavior from the majority.

My parents mandated me go to a HBCU for at least one year for a cultural and educational experience. Since the first day, I was totally embraced by everyone I met. I had to admit it was a cultural shock at first. However the alternative for me was assimilation into another white environment. I believe in the premise and mission of historically black colleges and universities. I have sinced graduated, give regular donations, visit often and participate in the alumni chapter.

I am totally shock by comments shared. It reminds me of that old saying, If it's white is right. Anything black (schools, businesses, neighborhoods) is substandard. We will totally go that extra mile to patronized stores, businesses and colleges owned by whites.

I have met several African Americans who went to White public , private and ivy leagues colleges who never give back monetary, do not visit for any reason and only ride on the name of the institution they went to, Duke, Stanford and etc.

Guess what, I ( who graduated from a HBCU) am your collegue, supervisor and manager of the Division. My substandard education has me working along with you. We have arrived at the same destination.

In retrospect, I am glad of my parents mandate. My college experience has enhanced my spiritual, intellectual and physical foundation. However, no college experience is devoid of conflict so give back if you can to the name of the institution that is stated on your diploma.

Peace, Tranquility and Joy Everlasting

[nikki1920]

I was lucky to go to both a HBCU and a PWI. I had better teachers at the HBCU but was less than thrilled with the administration. No, I dont agree that white is right. I chose my school based on the strength of the major I wanted. PERIOD. I ended up at the HBCU b/c I had just had my daughter. College is a big decision. It is my opinion that one should not choose a school SOLELY on the make up of its body (PWI or HBCU). I was just used to better technologies, easier access to my own student records, etc. Having to stand in line to register for a class was not cool to me only b/c I wasnt used to it. I should not have to take a day off of work to register for classes, or spend an inordinate amount of time making sure that XYZ department has whatever information so that I can graduate. But that is MY experience.

I choose not to give back to the HBCU b/c there are several issues there that I need to see resolved before I give them my hard earned money. IF the issues are resolved, I will give some money. I dont give back to the PWI either.

[AKA2D '91]

Uhhhhhhhh excuse me.

Bella Pearl and Nikki et. al. There is a thread regarding HBCU vs PWI around here. Hopefully, it wasn't erased a couple of years ago b/c of GC issues. @ GC.

Anyhooo, let's stay on the current topic: PEEPS PAYING $$$ TO HAVE GRADES CHANGED until another university has a "scandal".

Merci.

[AKA2D '91]

http://2theadvocate.com/stories/0417...audit001.shtml

[SouthrnBelle]

Oh Lawd! Not creating an entire transcript! It's one thing to change a grade, but a transcript. Somebody got some explaining to do.

It's like pulling teeth around here to get a darn transcript and if you owe money...even $5, you ain't getting a transcript until you pay.

[AKA2D '91]

Florida A&M president fired
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 Posted: 10:07 AM EDT (1407 GMT)


Florida A&M president Dr. Fred Gainous leaves a Board of Trustees
meeting Tuesday.



TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- The president of Florida's historically
black public university was fired Tuesday after a little more than a
two-year tenure marked by a dispute over the school's football
program and bookkeeping problems.

Florida A&M board of trustees voted 9-4 to dismiss Fred Gainous
effective December 31. It provided what all agreed was a meaningless
caveat -- that he could keep the job if he wins unanimous board
support by then.

"We knew the job was dangerous when we took it," Gainous said. "We
thought we could make a difference. And I think we have."

Gainous became president of the 13,000-student university in July
2002. His decision earlier this year to delay moving the football
program to NCAA Division I-A left a badly split board and divided
loyalties among the school's alumni.

Gov. Jeb Bush said he supported the decision to remove Gainous,
saying in a statement: "It is my sincere hope that the interests of
FAMU's students remain the school's number one priority."

Trustees chairman James Corbin said there would be a national search
for a replacement. Trustee Barney Bishop III, however, called the
ouster "a railroad job."

"This agenda was manipulated to get the result that they wanted,"
Bishop said.

Though Bishop said he feared the decision would slow fund-raising
efforts, a faculty member said it was time for a change.

"Sooner or later, you can't continue to say, 'Sorry I made a
mistake,"' said William Tucker, president of the university's chapter
of the United Faculty of Florida. "Too much water had gone under the
bridge for the situation to be salvageable."

Among other problems, a 2003 review found the school's construction
budget was off by more than $3 million.