How can people get away with revealing secrets? - Page 6

Dionysus · #1 12-17-2002, 12:11 AM

Well you know when you get upset at your brother/sisters this is a great blackmail topic!

honeychile · #2 12-17-2002, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by DWAlphaGam

I told her that it was a ceremony similar to a wedding, and that satisfied her.

What a lovely analogy! I'll have to remember it!

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Originally posted by KappaKittyKat
By divulging ritual, a sister is breaking the bond of trust. I could never again tell her anything of great import.

Amen to that!

We have some really smart cookies here at GreekChat!!

honeychile

carnation · #3 12-17-2002, 08:46 AM

If my husband had the nerve to ask about Pi Phi secrets (he didn't even know that GLOs had any until we were married), I'd make up a few realistic-sounding ones. Why would your spouse want to know your ritual and worse yet, threaten trouble if you didn't spill it? I think it would be symptomatic of other problems.

lifesaver · #4 12-17-2002, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by peachy
The text of a GLO's ritual is just one aspect - albeit a greatly important one - of the membership process. The leap of faith that initiates take is also of utmost importance. You do it alongside fellow initiates whom you have bonded with, guided by members whom you have grown to trust. Taking that leap of faith is part of the experience... and is only the beginning of what is, hopefully, a lifetime of dedication.

Yo - thats some cool stuff. I will be repeating it to our NM at initiation in a few weeks.

Serenity · #5 12-17-2002, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by carnation
If my husband had the nerve to ask about Pi Phi secrets (he didn't even know that GLOs had any until we were married), I'd make up a few realistic-sounding ones. Why would your spouse want to know your ritual and worse yet, threaten trouble if you didn't spill it? I think it would be symptomatic of other problems.

I was thinking the same thing. If it becomes a major trust issue where your spouse feels like you're keeping secrets from him/her, I would just make stuff up. How would they know? But then I guess that means you're lying to your spouse. Some people may have an even bigger problem with that.

My honey is a supportive non-Greek. He's jokingly asked my sorority's secrets but never expects to get an answer. He's not really interested in that aspect of SLU. I don't know how I'd feel if he insisted on knowing or felt I was keeping secrets from him if I refused to tell him. One thing I do know, I'd never spill the beans. I think it says so much about a person's character when they live up to the oath they've taken. How can anyone be mad about that?

sairose · #6 12-26-2002, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by RedRoseSAI

Well, I can say I have not shared any secrets with my husband. He once asked (half-kidding) "So, what goes on at these meetings, anyway?" so I told him (fully kidding) that we circle the fat, have lingerie pillow fights, then go out in the woods and drink goat's blood...

LOL that is SO funny that you mentioned goat's blood because our chapter has a running joke about goat's blood. I've always been really gullible and when I was pledging SAI, the night of pinning, I asked one of the members what we were about to go through and she said, "oh nothing big." And then she yelled to the VP Membership, "hey did you remember the goat's blood?" and I totally freaked out. (And no, to non-SAIs, SAI does not use goat's blood, or ANYTHING weird like that, in our ritual). LOL We still laugh about it!

AlphaFrog · #7 12-28-2002, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
They do get away with it...

It's just when they're caught their membership is null and void. The Fraternity will also make the attempt to buy back at a reasonable price their badge and other insignia.

Buy back?? If we terminate for whatever reason, we have to surrender everything...no compensation...obviously it's up to us to surrender everything though and be honest about it because, save our member badges, we legally own everything....

carnation · #8 12-28-2002, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Iconoclastic
Having acquired many rituals from various sources, I have the keys that unlock the many doors to the hazing problems, drinking problems, lack of integrity porblems, etc. When you live in a world that keeps things under the rug, you feel comfortable. If I do it and no one sees, who cares. This has been taken to a group level in secret societies. Their whole principle of secrecy causes them to threaten their spouses. Where is the honor and integrity in that? It ceases to exist. When I denounced my GLO, I denounced everything about it. I looked to Jesus for guidance at this point. He had nothing to hide. His principle of secrecy is much more honorable than the GLO system. How many people have been cleared of criminal offenses because of the greek connection, not innocence? Jesus says that whatever I speak to in secret take it to the world. That was His program. Has anyone ever wondered where the purpose and root of the secrecy comes from? Search diligently for yourselves. I will return to this post later to see if anyone can find the ROOT of GLO secrecy. As for legality, the Fair Use Act of 1976 is a powerful tool for those who want to expose the secrets. It's all about criticism of the material.

OFGS, Fred. Shuddup already--now how many times have you been banned from GreekChat? YOU need to hide under a rug.

Dionysus · #9 12-28-2002, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by carnation

OFGS, Fred. Shuddup already--now how many times have you been banned from GreekChat? YOU need to hide under a rug.

YAY!!! Some drama for a change!!!

33girl · #10 12-28-2002, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog

Buy back?? If we terminate for whatever reason, we have to surrender everything...no compensation...obviously it's up to us to surrender everything though and be honest about it because, save our member badges, we legally own everything....

WOW am I relieved to hear you say that...I was hearing differently from some other sisters...although I think sometimes if people self-terminate for fairly friendly reasons (i.e. money problems) the sisters will buy things back from them to help them out.

the way I look at it, it's like when you don't make your car payments. You screwed up - the repo man doesn't knock gently on your door and say "could you pleeeeeease give me your car, if it's not too much trouble?" No, that puppy gets towed.

oh and Fred, go hang out at the Jack Chick website, it's much more your cup of tea (if you haven't renounced tea that is).

AlphaSigOU · #11 12-28-2002, 10:03 PM

As a member of both a college fraternity and a Master Mason, I am obligated by ties that no earthly act can absolve. By the implict trust of taking such obligations I trust my fellow brother and expect the same in return. On the other hand, the breaking of such an implicit trust I consider it to be inexcusable. The 'ancient penalties' of Freemasonry are symbolic in nature only. (The only punishments handed out in a Masonic lodge are reprimand, suspension (for a definite or indefinite length of time) or expulsion, and that's only after a trial.)

Yes, it is true that with a little research and finding several well-written exposes of Masonic ritual that the ceremonies and modes of recognition of Freemasonry can be obtained. But that still won't get you past the Tyler's door.

Obviously, I am not at liberty to discuss specific aspects of the ritual of the Masonic Grand Lodge of Texas -- whose esoteric work has never been officially committed to writing (though there are unauthorized written ciphers of the work floating around) -- but the ritual language of Texas is so unique in the world of Freemasonry that it almost serves as an additional method of recognition between brethren. And I'm also proud to say that I am certified to teach the Texas esoteric work as well.

carnation · #12 12-28-2002, 10:17 PM

Well, Mr. Pharisee, "by their fruits ye shall know them" and we've known who you were for weeks--and not by your website either. I don't think that any of the oldtimers even bothered to read your profile--why should they even need to?

And why are you back? Having been banned, you surely realize that your abrasive posting style and emails to innocent GCers offended many. To be honest, you probably drove more people away from Christianity than you ever attracted.

HotDamnImAPhiMu · #13 12-29-2002, 12:19 AM

Is this guy creeping the hell out of anybody else?

texas*princess · #14 12-29-2002, 02:16 AM

hmm sounds like that random preacher that used to visit my old college campus...had nothing nice to say about anyone.

CutiePie2000 · #15 12-29-2002, 03:32 AM

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Originally posted by IvySpice
Do people place Top Secret security clearance in the same category as GLO secrets?

I compare it more to a spouse who is married to a Medical Doctor, and the snoopy spouse is asking the Medical Doctor:
Honey, who did you treat today?
What did you treat them for?
and so on....

Basically, they (the snoopy non-doctor spouse) are asking questions that have nothing to do with them, and that they have no business asking. And the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take, and that they are to keep Doctor/Patient Confidentiality has nothing to do with the marital vows that they took with their spouse.