BGLO and GLO

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by finest_alum:
[Hey AXO... apparently, you did FEEL the need to keep posting. Why waste your time; just go do your own search and post on the old thread if the new ones bother you so much? That would be much more refreshing than hearing you criticize PM's posts constantly... By the way, I'm a "senior" member also and enjoy "re-inventing" an old topic.. new people come on, and new opinions get expressed. Who cares if another thread talked of the same thing? Do you and your friends never talk of the the same subject twice?

Good lord I love u! Yes there have been a number of critisms and it makes me even more mad that they are coming from a moderator!

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by finest_alum:

Hey AXO... apparently, you did FEEL the need to keep posting. Why waste your time; just go do your own search and post on the old thread if the new ones bother you so much? That would be much more refreshing than hearing you criticize PM's posts constantly... By the way, I'm a "senior" member also and enjoy "re-inventing" an old topic.. new people come on, and new opinions get expressed. Who cares if another thread talked of the same thing? Do you and your friends never talk of the the same subject twice?

hmmm....okay - let me get this straight..... it is perfectly okay for everyone else to say "go do a search" but not for me?? And its okay also, for you to say what I can and can't talk about, but not vice versa? Am I getting this straight so far?

And I am sorry, but could you please tell me exactly where I called your member status into question? I must have missed that one!

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00:
Good lord I love u! Yes there have been a number of critisms and it makes me even more mad that they are coming from a moderator!

I am going to run right over to the Moderator's forum and remind ALL moderators that we are not allowed to criticize others even if we are stating OUR OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS! I didn't realize when I signed up to be the moderator of the AXO forum that I signed away my right to freedom of speech! If you are expecting me to reply to every post you make with some happy-happy, joy-joy response, then keep holding your breath. I'm sure blue is a good color for you.

(And do you think that maybe we have figured out a lot about you already from the way you post and other clues? You aren't very good at spy games, are you??)

[MeezDiscreet]

AXO_ALUM is the bomb!!!! but, i would've added a couple ..

[Ideal08]

Originally posted by Corbin Dallas:
I don't know that TRUE equal opportunity takes place anywhere, even people that aren't outwardly prejudice have SOME prejudice in the back of their mind, even if they don't know it. The only time I really think it can happen is if it's completely blind, as in the person hiring or whatever doesn't know anything about the candidates that would give away their sex, color, creed, age, etc. That in itself is nearly impossible. I'm sure there are examples though. Seriously, it's like doing a physics problem in class (shop talk coming out). In theory the world is perfect, but in reality, there are small things that can change the problem in a big way.

I don't think it's bad for people to associate with "their own". However, I do think it's bad for people to limit themselves to that. You feelin' me on this? I don't know how to explain it exactly, but I think it's pretty self explanatory.

I'm definitely feelin' you, and I agree, completely!

[12dn94dst]

Originally posted by finest_alum:
What about more collaboration from a higher level (NPHC and NPC, for example), rather than relying on individual chapters? Would this work? I know that on my undergrad campus, BGLOs and GLOs did not collaborate on anything. Why not start on a national level and create some ties between the governing bodies? What are everyone's thoughts on this?

Thanks for answering my question (my goodness, there may still be hope). Let me see if I can understand what you're saying. I'm not trying to twist your words or discredit your idea, this is just what I got from your statement (I hope I haven't missed any standard greek life disclaimers). Are you saying that our International/National Presidents should invoke an executive order of some sort that would make it a requirement for (example) Delta Sigma Theta and Delta Zeta to work together & be sociable? IF SO, I have a few questions: How would being "forced" to hang with another group be beneficial to either group? What about the campuses (HBCUs come to mind) that don't have NPC/NIC chapters or the campuses where one of the two groups is missing & there isn't a chapter nearby? What about the hundreds of DST Alumnae chapters that may not have a Delta Zeta Alumnae counterpart in their city? I say all this to say it seems kind of silly to set policy about something that doesn't affect the majority of the membership.

WHY NOT start on the chapter level? I don't have to have my chapter's "approval" to invite my friends who are not Deltas or not in NPHC groups to our next public service project or any other event and I would hope the same would go for the flip side of that equation. You learn a whole lot by talking to people & it may surprise you that many of us do public service at the same places. Why not take the attitude of "since we're both going to be there, why not do something together?"

In everyone's attempt to answer my question, I HOPE you asked yourself how far you're willing to go to make a change. Are you going to quit after you get turned down the first time or are you going to persist? If you're going to quit after the first try, we don't need to have this conversation anymore because it will end up with everyone getting upset and no one resolving the issue.

Think about all the successful changes that have happened: the end of slavery, the women's suffrage movement, prohibition, the repeal of prohibition, the founding of your organization, the founding of your chapter...I doubt ANY of the people involved in the events I mentioned got a "yes" on their first try.

All I'm saying is, if you REALLY want change, YOU will be the catalyst of that change. You won't be sitting on your butt waiting for it to happen because there will ALWAYS be more people who are more than happy with the way things are than there are people who want to change things.

You have your topic. Discuss.



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#12 Delta Nu (Savannah State University) Wtr. 1994
MAL, Southern Region

An equal opportunity grumpy person.

[LeslieAGD]

12dn94dst: IMO, I don't think finest_alum was saying that IHQs should force their organizations to hang out, but here's an example...Alpha Gamma Delta and Lambda Chi Alpha have a program that they sponsor together called the Double Vison program, which deals with alcohol awareness. What if ABC organization from NPHC and XYZ organization from NPC got together and sponsored a diversity awareness program or something. That would be a positive way for the those organizations to become closer and hopefully inspire other organizations to follow their lead.

[12dn94dst]

Leslie_AGD, I couldn't think of a better word than force, that's why i put it in quotes. I still don't understand why promoting unity should be something that trickles down from the top. I'm just looking at it from the stand point that many national programs started as local initiatives, but I like the example you gave. That's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about.

[This message has been edited by 12dn94dst (edited July 07, 2001).]

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by AXO Alum:
I am going to run right over to the Moderator's forum and remind ALL moderators that we are not allowed to criticize others even if we are stating OUR OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS! I didn't realize when I signed up to be the moderator of the AXO forum that I signed away my right to freedom of speech! If you are expecting me to reply to every post you make with some happy-happy, joy-joy response, then keep holding your breath. I'm sure blue is a good color for you.

(And do you think that maybe we have figured out a lot about you already from the way you post and other clues? You aren't very good at spy games, are you??)

Spy games? What spy games? I wasn't doing anything. I just noticed that u have criticized a number of my postings. And the comment about u knowing stuff about me? Is that a threat? Just from what I post, you know nothing about me. In my opinion, and also my firends, I am a truly caring friend and sister, who tells people things when they need to know them, and who is always there. So tell me what u do know about me? I'd love to hear it.

By the way, "pink is my signature color". Sorry to burst ur bubble.

[Tom Earp]

Really, what I do not understand, is why us white folks berate those with a better tan than us? White Folks I mean!
We as LX Z have had many various ethnic groups and colors in our house! I look at the individual and if you dont you are moronic! Well What!!!!

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Tom Earp LX Z#1
Pittsburg State U. (Kansas)

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by Tom Earp:
Really, what I do not understand, is why us white folks berate those with a better tan than us? White Folks I mean!
We as LX Z have had many various ethnic groups and colors in our house! I look at the individual and if you dont you are moronic! Well What!!!!

I totally understand u. My org has Philipino, Albanian, Asian, and yes we've even had an African American. Not many go through Rush, and if they did and they had a great personality and got along, we'd be happy to bring them in!

[D.0.7]

I feel that African Americans started greek life for there selves because of all the racial trouble that occur way back when, and you have to understand African Americans tried to unite and come together with an agreement just like others, but your forfathers did not see it that way. what i am trying to say is we had to find something that we can call our own also, and to feel comfortable about our selves as people. I am a African American male, but i'm not in a national African American fraternity either, but it's all about who you are comfortbale with, if white people back in the 1900's felt comfortable with letting African American into their fraternites and sororities and into school period we wouldn't be having this conservation or debating on this topic at all. It's not about the color, but it's about being comfortable with the rihgt people, now i have a question for you"why did you join the fraternity that you are apart of"? get my drift. I have alot of white friends and some are thinking about joining our fraternity so it's not about seperation it's about once again who u feel comfortable with, you know. I hope this does not offend you in any way or form and i know you love black people , just like i love whites lol hey we are in this fight together and one day we have to answer to GOD on the duties we did here on earth. So next time ask someone about the African Americans greeks and what they are willing to do to unite with the other greeks on your campus and it's not up to them to prove who they are it's up to you to find out, I bet the African Americans on your campus know about your fraternity why is it that you don't know about their.

From your brother from the newly accliam fraternity Mu Omega Pi, were taking greek life to a higher level.

May GOD Bless you all and remember Greek'ss Rulessssss

[ErikaXO]

People are going to go where they feel comfortable.....bottom line. At my campus we had a number of African-Americans who went through NPC/IFC rush and joined chapters. I also distinctly remember a white male rushing and joining a NPHC chapter. I don't see the problem with having the two separate systems. I understand that there is a lot of "mystery" surrounding the NPHC chapters and I for one always wished we had events/mixers with them, but these are bridges that can be gapped chapter by chapter, campus by campus. If a, IFC fraternity was having a party that needed a co-sponsor, how about one of the IFC guys asking a guy in one of his classes if his NPHC chapter would be interested? How about one of the NPC org's asking a NPHC sorority to join them in a philanthropy? I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I were an African-American, I would have been drawn to one of the traditionally black chapters. These would be the women who understood me the best, knew the unique situations of my life, etc. That's what sisterhood is based on. I am not saying that you shouldn't "cross lines" when you feel comfortable, but I think it is a cop-out to accuse blacks of segregating themselves by joining traditionally black chapters. Just my two cents.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by ErikaXO

People are going to go where they feel comfortable.....bottom line. At my campus we had a number of African-Americans who went through NPC/IFC rush and joined chapters. I also distinctly remember a white male rushing and joining a NPHC chapter. I don't see the problem with having the two separate systems. I understand that there is a lot of "mystery" surrounding the NPHC chapters and I for one always wished we had events/mixers with them, but these are bridges that can be gapped chapter by chapter, campus by campus. If a, IFC fraternity was having a party that needed a co-sponsor, how about one of the IFC guys asking a guy in one of his classes if his NPHC chapter would be interested? How about one of the NPC org's asking a NPHC sorority to join them in a philanthropy? I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I were an African-American, I would have been drawn to one of the traditionally black chapters. These would be the women who understood me the best, knew the unique situations of my life, etc. That's what sisterhood is based on. I am not saying that you shouldn't "cross lines" when you feel comfortable, but I think it is a cop-out to accuse blacks of segregating themselves by joining traditionally black chapters. Just my two cents.

I agree with this outsiders assessment. There does seem to be some sense of cultural superiority when it comes to traditionally white Greek-letter organizations. It is suupremely ironic in that the reason for the push towards desegregating GLOs was because of their exclusive attitudes, not only racially but religiously and in terms of class also. Now, many act as though history doesn't matter and that BGLOs and other groups are prejudiced and exclusive. Wow!

In reality, there are people in all groups who favor racial exclusivity and most who don't.

[Deltazeta4ever]

I know this is a little off topic, but I'm shocked to find out that NPC and NPHC sororities don't "mingle" anymore. Back when I was an active, Delta Zeta and Alpha Kappa Alpha cosponsored a lecture series on women's health every year. (The slogan was cute... "Two sisterhoods sharing two colors and one goal: Educating women"). All GLO's participated in Greek Week, regardless of their ethnic status, and every fraternity participated in our Greek God contest.

Wow... times have changed