2015 Indiana Recruitment

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Life is good;23again224

Just wondering why some on the list don't have numbers posted from last year... Kappa, Chi O, AGD... and speaking of Chi O I've heard that they only asked 400 girls back for the "16" Party.. is that possible? How can they be that harsh after what is basically an Open House?

How long is IU's rush again? Because if someone needs life flighted in a helicopter they're going to be SOL as all the helicopters are busy.

In all seriousness, as I stated in a previous post, this is deferred rush and the rushees have had a whole semester to get to know sorority members. So no sorority is going solely on what happened at an open house.

[Katmandu]

RE: Chi Omega invitation numbers.

1st: We don't know how many they invited back. Rumors swirl around during recruitment and most of them are inaccurate.

2nd: If they are a strong recruiting chapter with stellar returns, yes, their invitation list will be small, because almost everyone says, "yes". Chapters with strong returns don't need to invite a lot of PNMs to have a full house and a full pref and a full NM class.

3rd: If that number is correct, its not "harsh", it's reality. It would be less kind to pad their numbers, invite massive numbers of girls who fell in love with the group, get their hopes up because of an invitation and then get dashed in the end. Early cuts allow girls to re-focus and dance with someone else.

ETA: love it 33girl. Whap, whap, whap.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

That's a great way to do name tags! Right before I started school they eliminated the custom name tags the chapters at Iowa did. They did cutesy and VERY involved construction paper name tags for every girl attending every party. It was a huge amount of work. With all the other crap going on can you imagine keeping all that straight before parties? And the girls spending all summer cutting and gluing the name tags together for the several hundred that would have been needed! Oh the horror. And this was before RFM so everyone invited more girls and you never knew how many girls were gonna show up the next day.

I just found my Alpha Gam scrapbook from college and I have all my name tags from all the parties! So fun But yes, tons of work- and my alma mater had a small greek system.

Originally Posted by ItsGreekTooMe

I'd figured that an objective criterion that disqualifies girls from consideration would be disclosed to PNMs, just as the 2.8 is. Silly me.

I'll use a non-recruitment related analogy here. My college academic program was Occupational Therapy. In my program, they accepted 50 students per year and there were typically more than 250 applicants. Although the program had specific GPA requirements (must have a 2.5 overall and at least a 3.0 in some specific courses) and requirements for health care field volunteer hours (at least 60), nobody with a 2.5 and only 60 hours was accepted because it was so competitive. In reality, the lowest GPA accepted was a 3.5.

ETA: I have a rec girl at IU this time around

[wsucalsigmakapp]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

RE: Chi Omega invitation numbers.

1st: We don't know how many they invited back. Rumors swirl around during recruitment and most of them are inaccurate.

2nd: If they are a strong recruiting chapter with stellar returns, yes, their invitation list will be small, because almost everyone says, "yes". Chapters with strong returns don't need to invite a lot of PNMs to have a full house and a full pref and a full NM class.

3rd: If that number is correct, its not "harsh", it's reality. It would be less kind to pad their numbers, invite massive numbers of girls who fell in love with the group, get their hopes up because of an invitation and then get dashed in the end. Early cuts allow girls to re-focus and dance with someone else.

ETA: love it 33girl. Whap, whap, whap.

These are all excellent points, and in the long run, every women going through recruitment should strive to be in a chapter that she fits in with the members and that wants her to be a part of that chapter. Who wants to be surrounded by women who were "pushed or forced" to accept you. Regardless of how harsh it sounds, getting cut from a group may be a blessing in disguise! =)

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by Life is good

Just wondering why some on the list don't have numbers posted from last year... Kappa, Chi O, AGD... and speaking of Chi O I've heard that they only asked 400 girls back for the "16" Party.. is that possible? How can they be that harsh after what is basically an Open House?

Think of it like interviewing for a job. Resumes matter and connections matter. They looked at resumes and they looked at who the chapter knows and decided who gets the interview.

[navane]

Originally Posted by Life is good

Just wondering why some on the list don't have numbers posted from last year... Kappa, Chi O, AGD... and speaking of Chi O I've heard that they only asked 400 girls back for the "16" Party.. is that possible? How can they be that harsh after what is basically an Open House?

I really want to drive the point home here that the chapter(s) are not being "harsh". They are being *required* to cut more girls.

My understanding of the RFM (Release Figure Method) style of sorority recruitment is: the more successful a chapter is at recruitment (the more popular they are), the more girls they have to cut. In effect, it is expected that they won't have any trouble filling their parties and, therefore, are not allowed to over-invite a surplus of girls that don't statistically have a chance of getting a bid. That way, as others have pointed out, the chapters don't get the hopes up of girls that aren't as likely to make it to the end.

The chapters that historically have a lower return rate are allowed to issue "extra" invitations in order to increase their chances of getting a full pledge class. Again, by the stronger recruiting chapters releasing more women earlier, it allows those PNMs to more realistically focus on the chapters that want them and not on "dream chapters" that they didn't have as good of a chance with.

[DubaiSis]

The numbers here are self-reported, reported by others who get the numbers or are published (like in the school newspapers). At least one sorority NEVER posts their numbers so if you see a number listed for them, a non-member gave it. That is their prerogative. Some think it's none of your business how many new members they took. Others don't want to post an unsuccessful number. Others it just never gets reported for no clear reason. Or in other words, don't read anything into a chapter not having a quota number listed here. At IU they all made quota, whatever that number may be.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

The numbers here are self-reported, reported by others who get the numbers or are published (like in the school newspapers). At least one sorority NEVER posts their numbers so if you see a number listed for them, a non-member gave it. That is their prerogative. Some think it's none of your business how many new members they took. Others don't want to post an unsuccessful number. Others it just never gets reported for no clear reason. Or in other words, don't read anything into a chapter not having a quota number listed here. At IU they all made quota, whatever that number may be.

Actually, quota numbers are reported to all chapters at the annual recruitment wrap up meeting. We are given a print out of all chapters, their quota, and the number of women they actually took. We also get return rate info, etc.

[33girl]

That's for the school's Panhel. Different than putting it on Twitter or FB etc. I'm sure if someone really wanted to share that they could.

[irishpipes]

Think of a presidential election. A person has to be 35 and a natural-born citizen to run for president. Doesn't mean they'll win. Then pundits try to determine why a certain candidate didn't win when he/she was so qualified. These pundits can speculate that it was because of the candidate's religious views, military history, race, or position on this issue or that. But really, voters don't have to have any reason at all to not vote for a candidate. It can be all of those reasons and it can be none of them.

Some PNMs just don't make a good enough impression, for whatever reason, to that group of young women, at that particular moment. Moms (and sometimes alumnae) may prefer that membership selection would lean heavier to the objective criteria, but once minimum criteria are met, it can be any reason or no reason that a PNM isn't selected. The reason one member didn't vote for a girl could be an entirely different reason from why another member didn't.

[Just interested]

DG at IU on Ellen right now!!!
So cute. They are looking for "dancer"

I goofed. It was at Butler. They are darling girls and represented DG and Greek Life in such a positive way.

Sorry for getting off track with recruitment at IU.

[DubaiSis]

Plus, the thing that can turn an actual weak chapter into a strong one might just be more new members.

[KDMafia]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Plus, the thing that can turn an actual weak chapter into a strong one might just be more new members.

Absolutely. I've seen two different chapters benefit from RFM by getting larger pledge classes. One is still around and is more active and had a stronger recruitment this year and the other isn't.

I realize this is getting off thread from IU but I just wanted to jump in about why I view RFM as a positive and hope to eventually see IU transition more over to this style then the bed quota.

[Shellfish]

Sorry for continuing the off-topic path, but something else that I consider a fantastic improvement is setting quota at the very end. When I was an advisor, it was set on our campus after the second round (of four), I think, and though I advocated for setting it later, with a more realistic total number of women who would commit to joining instead of just checking things out, it was shot down. The lower quota and shuffling around of PNMs would have definitely benefited the WRCs back then.

[libelle]

I am not sure if this is the correct thread to post an article about the algorithm behind the RFM process. If not, please move it to the right thread. In December the New York Times published an article about how middle school students are matched to high schools in NYC. The algorithm is similar to the one that is used to match hospital residencies. This article has an example with that some may find helpful.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/ny...cess.html?_r=0