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[33girl]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

When Rush Counselor's over stress maximizing PNM's options in order for the PNM to be eligible for Quota Plus: PNM who really ought to SIP puts down all her Pref Party Chapters even when she wouldn't show up if given a bid to #3 or maybe even #2. This is where Panhellenic achieving that goal of high placement rate runs in the face of the interest of the PNMs and Chapters.

If they're talking about that they also need to give hard figures (i.e. out of 1000 girls bidded through QA only 25 of them got bids to their first choice chapter). This is another example of PNMs thinking they will be the one to find the needle when diving into the Grand Canyon-size haystack.

I'm also guessing the Rho Chis who do this mean well but have no idea what it's like to see a rushee walk away from their sisterhood because she's that disappointed.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

When Rush Counselor's over stress maximizing PNM's options in order for the PNM to be eligible for Quota Plus: PNM who really ought to SIP puts down all her Pref Party Chapters even when she wouldn't show up if given a bid to #3 or maybe even #2. This is where Panhellenic achieving that goal of high placement rate runs in the face of the interest of the PNMs and Chapters.

I know many girls who were pushed--yes, pushed--into listing a chapter they didn't want on their card. There are different ways Pi Chis do this,from shaming them to telling them their card will get kicked out of the computer if they SIP to doing a heavy emotional number on them about how horrible they'll feel on Bid Day if everyone else is celebrating and they aren't.

There are no doubt several examples of girls who got their last choice and loved it after all. This is not what I'm seeing here. The ones I see most often went to Bid Day and tried to fake happiness but in a year or less left the chapter. Others resigned before initiation or never showed up for Bid Day.

Most who could re-rush did and got other bids the next year--particularly this year, even at SEC schools. There were various reasons that these PNMs did what they did.

However, it is *wrong* of Pi Chis to badger a PNM into listing a chapter she obviously doesn't want, especially if it involves lies like "the computer will spit out your card". If the PNM SIPs and gets the call, that's on her. But Pi Chis, if you harass or lie to a PNM and she gets the chapter she can't stand and is bound for a year--that's on YOU.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by carnation

I know many girls who were pushed--yes, pushed--into listing a chapter they didn't want on their card. There are different ways Pi Chis do this,from shaming them to telling them their card will get kicked out of the computer if they SIP to doing a heavy emotional number on them about how horrible they'll feel on Bid Day if everyone else is celebrating and they aren't.

There are no doubt several examples of girls who got their last choice and loved it after all. This is not what I'm seeing here. The ones I see most often went to Bid Day and tried to fake happiness but in a year or less left the chapter. Others resigned before initiation or never showed up for Bid Day.

Most who could re-rush did and got other bids the next year--particularly this year, even at SEC schools. There were various reasons that these PNMs did what they did.

However, it is *wrong* of Pi Chis to badger a PNM into listing a chapter she obviously doesn't want, especially if it involves lies like "the computer will spit out your card". If the PNM SIPs and gets the call, that's on her. But Pi Chis, if you harass or lie to a PNM and she gets the chapter she can't stand and is bound for a year--that's on YOU.

Coming out of lurkerdom to say that this is the best thing I've read on this topic.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by carnation

I know many girls who were pushed--yes, pushed--into listing a chapter they didn't want on their card. There are different ways Pi Chis do this,from shaming them to telling them their card will get kicked out of the computer if they SIP to doing a heavy emotional number on them about how horrible they'll feel on Bid Day if everyone else is celebrating and they aren't.

There are no doubt several examples of girls who got their last choice and loved it after all. This is not what I'm seeing here. The ones I see most often went to Bid Day and tried to fake happiness but in a year or less left the chapter. Others resigned before initiation or never showed up for Bid Day.

Most who could re-rush did and got other bids the next year--particularly this year, even at SEC schools. There were various reasons that these PNMs did what they did.

However, it is *wrong* of Pi Chis to badger a PNM into listing a chapter she obviously doesn't want, especially if it involves lies like "the computer will spit out your card". If the PNM SIPs and gets the call, that's on her. But Pi Chis, if you harass or lie to a PNM and she gets the chapter she can't stand and is bound for a year--that's on YOU.

Completely agree, and this is why at Clemson the Pi Chis are not involved in the final ranking of groups after preference. Professional staff members who may or may not be in GLOs but are not allowed to disclose either way read the MRABA and explain it the the PNMs. They also provide counseling for girls who can't decide how to rank or whether to list a chapter.

[tcsparky]

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

Completely agree, and this is why at Clemson the Pi Chis are not involved in the final ranking of groups after preference. Professional staff members who may or may not be in GLOs but are not allowed to disclose either way read the MRABA and explain it the the PNMs. They also provide counseling for girls who can't decide how to rank or whether to list a chapter.

I am doing this tomorrow morning at UNCC. Alumnae women from organizations not on campus man the computers for final ranking after Pref. We read and explain the MRABA, listen to them, counsel them.....we don't have chapters on the campus, so we don't "have a dog in the fight." Those of us actively involved in Alumnae Panhellenic know which is the WRC, but we also know that some people go there willingly and love it. We are as impartial and unbiased as it is possible to be, other than we encourage them to Go Greek!!!

Every year I have one or two women who decide not to sign rather than join the one group they have left. Most, however, are at least willing to give it a try.

[Phigirl04]

Originally Posted by tcsparky

I am doing this tomorrow morning at UNCC. Alumnae women from organizations not on campus man the computers for final ranking after Pref. We read and explain the MRABA, listen to them, counsel them.....we don't have chapters on the campus, so we don't "have a dog in the fight." Those of us actively involved in Alumnae Panhellenic know which is the WRC, but we also know that some people go there willingly and love it. We are as impartial and unbiased as it is possible to be, other than we encourage them to Go Greek!!!

Every year I have one or two women who decide not to sign rather than join the one group they have left. Most, however, are at least willing to give it a try.

I think this is great. I would love to see this become the norm for recruitment and would love the chance to volunteer in that capacity as an alum. I think that someone that is impartial and has no bias could truly counsel women to make the decision that is right for them. I think that the placement percentages touted by some schools make them feel good but what percent of that actually make it to initiation.

[pinksequins]

Thank you, Carnation. Along with DGTess, please allow these women to make the choices they believe are correct for them (whether we personally agree or not). It is one of many they will need to make in life.

[AZTheta]

Amen.

[DubaiSis]

I did it last winter for a local university where my sorority is not represented. It was really interesting to see how the girls handled the process. I wished the girls were a bit more introspective about their options, but they were virtually all 100% confident in their decision. The only questions I got tended to be about the MRABA itself. I was glad for the girls who actually took a moment to think about the fact that they were signing a contract and what that might mean.

[AZ-AlphaXi]

I helped this year at Arizona MRABA signing. I had some questions and even a few who
wanted to talk things through. We had a number of Tucson Panhellenic members helping as well as UofArizona staff members. It was a long day, we processed a lot of women, but so worth it.

[als463]

Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi

I helped this year at Arizona MRABA signing. I had some questions and even a few who
wanted to talk things through. We had a number of Tucson Panhellenic members helping as well as UofArizona staff members. It was a long day, we processed a lot of women, but so worth it.

Seriously, why is this not happening at EVERY school in the nation? I also loved Clemsongirl's school idea of only having as many women on the floor at one time during recruitment as the smallest chapter on campus had. I believe that BOTH ideas would help women see beyond the "tiers" and realize that being Greek is so much more than letter shirts and Bid Day fun.

[gatordeltapgh]

Originally Posted by als463

Seriously, why is this not happening at EVERY school in the nation?

It is supposed to as NPC passed this change a few years ago. I imagine there are some schools/areas of the country that are still working secure the number of volunteers or staff needed to make it work. Hopefully someday soon!

[als463]

Originally Posted by gatordeltapgh

It is supposed to as NPC passed this change a few years ago. I imagine there are some schools/areas of the country that are still working secure the number of volunteers or staff needed to make it work. Hopefully someday soon!

Well, this is a great idea! I always get an education here on GC.

[Titchou]

If you check your Green Book, NPC Manual of Information, you will see that recruitment counselors are not allowed in the room with the PNMs when they sign their bid cards. I know many of you do not know how to access a copy on your group's web site. I'll see if we can post one here.