Paula Deen's use of the "N"-Word

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by naraht

How do people feel about the use of Colored in this regard? I've got an 86 year old neighbor who will still use this term sometimes. Note he voted for Obama, twice.

Is your neighbor white?

My (black) mentor uses the word colored and so do I sometimes. It does not bother me but I also do not use it in mixed company.

Note: White people, please understand that just about any word can be used in a demeaning way as well as a neutral way and endearing way. Me being an example of someone who tolerates the word "colored" is not a pass for you to use it. You've never used it before and you're just trying to be slick.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

Word.

http://www.tracingcenter.org/

Word.

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Preach it!

Word.

Originally Posted by naraht

How do people feel about the use of Colored in this regard? I've got an 86 year old neighbor who will still use this term sometimes. Note he voted for Obama, twice.

Don't you all dare turn this thread into a Race Workshop. Naraht, you are certainly conscious and can answer your own question.

As for the 86 yo neighbor, he has either been ignored or cussed out over the years. Voting for President Obama means absolutely nothing. Nothing. People do not receive a "pass" for voting for President Obama. As always, I do not call individuals racist because racism is a structural and institutional pattern that has never solely relied upon individual hatred and prejudice. The importance of behavior that spans beyond individual intent and prejudices is why people are able to say things like "I'm not racist...I love everyone...I took a diversity workshop 20 years ago, married a Latina 5 years ago, and voted for President Obama for goodness sake!!! But I can't hire you because my customers are afraid of nonwhites...and I need money in this tough economy...but, on a personal level, you and I can hang out sometimes...you seem really cool...."

Real talk.

This thread had so much potential to be a GC Race War. I commend IotaGuy for his hard work and determination and I agree with much of what you all have said. There were a couple of comments that I considered...special...but the comments were indicative of the GCers who typed them.

/This thread is really not about Paula Deen and I do not hold any ill will toward Paula Deen. This is definitely not only a southern issue (not only a North American issue either) although the overt nature is (not was) characteristic of the south. As always, people use news stories to share sentiments that they do not regularly feel comfortable sharing. This is why I hate "diversity training" and things that give people "permission" to express certain beliefs. My personal and professional realities are such that I talk about these topics everyday with people. Therefore, people don't have to bullcrap and wait for news stories like Paula Deen to share wider opinions on the -isms (racism and other -isms). People don't have to be passive aggressive and look for quick complaints and therefore quick fixes--humans are extremely lazy and shortsighted.

*Eating a Paula Deen Sambo Burger while watching Melissa Harris-Perry on MSNBC. Watching a Black person on TV buffers the impact of the Sambo Burger.*

Oh yeah, welcome to DST christiangirl. I could not post without saying that. *hug*

[IrishLake]

DrPhil, you've been missed. (It's not obvious to me if you've been here under other names. But I'm happy to see "DrPhil." )

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

(It's not obvious to me if you've been here under other names.)

Hell no.

I always have and always will let you all know when I am posting. I do not hide under random usernames (and I do not research GCers' personal lives and post their information on GC). Therefore, I do not know who the hell those other usernames are and, if they are trying to make people think they are me, they can kiss my Sambo Burger ass.

Now...can this thread or IotaGuy's other thread become a GC Race War? There is so much potential.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Hell no.

I always have and always will let you all know when I am posting. I do not hide under random usernames (and I do not research GCers' personal lives and post their information on GC). Therefore, I do not know who the hell those other usernames are and, if they are trying to make people think they are me, they can kiss my Sambo Burger ass.

Now...can this thread or IotaGuy's other thread become a GC Race War? There is so much potential.

I'm so glad you're back! This place is so much more interesting when you contribute.

[AOII Angel]

Welcome back, Dr. Phil.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Hell no.

I always have and always will let you all know when I am posting. I do not hide under random usernames (and I do not research GCers' personal lives and post their information on GC). Therefore, I do not know who the hell those other usernames are and, if they are trying to make people think they are me, they can kiss my Sambo Burger ass.

Now...can this thread or IotaGuy's other thread become a GC Race War? There is so much potential.

You're back!!!

[AZTheta]

DrPhil!

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

DrPhil, you've been missed.

Originally Posted by amIblue?

I'm so glad you're back! This place is so much more interesting when you contribute.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Welcome back, Dr. Phil.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

You're back!!!

Originally Posted by AZTheta

DrPhil!

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

Wha? I got happy when you came back too!!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

I share my office with a 55 year old black man. I'm a 30 something white woman. He's become my mentor, and I learn more about geology and groundwater and soil remediation from him than I have anyone or anything else. Fifty years ago, this would have been seriously scandalous, if not completely illegal. Nowadays, it's not a biggie.

"Some of those people have offices now, times is a changin' so urrybody stop a fussin!"

"One of my best mentors is Black!"

"Some of my best friends are Black!"

I know this is not what you are saying.

I am not remotely mad at Paula Deen. I always found her amusing but never used her recipes. I respect Paula Deen's fans' ability to protest. That's what fans are forrrrrrrr. For good times and bad times. They'll be on your side for ever more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-...-food-network/

Sen's Revenge, our cousin Soror Melissa Harris-Perry is slamming Paula Deen right now. Talking about obesity, diabetes, and the stuff we are discussing in this thread.

[amIblue?]

Does the Ken Tanaka video about what kind of Asian are you apply to this conversation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWynJ...e_gdata_player

[IrishLake]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Hell no.

I always have and always will let you all know when I am posting. I do not hide under random usernames (and I do not research GCers' personal lives and post their information on GC). Therefore, I do not know who the hell those other usernames are and, if they are trying to make people think they are me, they can kiss my Sambo Burger ass.

Now...can this thread or IotaGuy's other thread become a GC Race War? There is so much potential.

Good.

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

Oh hush. You got the same warm welcome back!!!!

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Some of those people have offices now, times is a changin' so urrybody stop a fussin!"

"One of my best mentors is Black!"

"Some of my best friends are Black!"

I know this is not what you are saying.

You hush too! I was just trying to demonstrate from my perspective, things have indeed progressed. My perspective is just that though, and mine alone, and makes me fully aware that it's not truth everywhere.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

As always, I do not call individuals racist because racism is a structural and institutional pattern that has never solely relied upon individual hatred and prejudice. The importance of behavior that spans beyond individual intent and prejudices is why people are able to say things like "I'm not racist...I love everyone...I took a diversity workshop 20 years ago, married a Latina 5 years ago, and voted for President Obama for goodness sake!!! But I can't hire you because my customers are afraid of nonwhites...and I need money in this tough economy...but, on a personal level, you and I can hang out sometimes...you seem really cool...."

Real talk.

First, so glad to see posts from you!

Second, I really appreciate (if that's the right word) the quoted. To tie things in to a theological bent, it mirrors what I've long believed about sin -- that sin is not so much about specific things we do as it is about a pervasive condition that affects, in obvious and not so obvious ways, everything we do.

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

Well, you came back before you really came back.

But we'll throw a party if you want us to.

[AnchorAlum]

Originally Posted by Mizeree I2K

Short period of time? Really dude? It took a lot longer than 50-60 years of struggling. I'm talking over 400 years. And we still have a long way to go. These legal documents still crack me up. Everybody is some kind of "American". African American, Asian American, Native American, and the list goes on. I'm still waiting on "European American", when is that going to be added to the list? We haven't come a long way. Race is still an issue, and white folks TODAY are still the ones benefiting from all the oppression and bullshit they put us through.


And today it's the same shit different toilet.

How about we drop all the hyphenated "shit" (guess that's ok since you used it) period. We are all AMERICANS.

I didn't watch her show, didn't like the fake accent and all those recipes with butter, salt, and sugar, so I don't care if she is off the air one bit. What a dummy this woman is. I hope she socked away her money cause she is DONE.

White folks put you through shit? Really? How old are you?