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Old 08-02-2012, 07:32 PM
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A friend of mine posted this on FB, and I thought it was a nice piece.
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:34 PM
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If this were true, why didn't we get buses going to Disneyland when the SBC and CL boycotted Disney?

This seems pretty cut-and-dried - Occam's Razor should trump your natural skepticism.
I'm not sure I follow your analogy. I've considered a couple of ways it could work, but I'm not sure what you intend.

The way I understand things, the Disney boycott was a huge failure. So while nobody set up a date for everyone to arrive and show their Disney love, over the course of the years, people did.
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:51 PM
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I'm not sure I follow your analogy. I've considered a couple of ways it could work, but I'm not sure what you intend.

The way I understand things, the Disney boycott was a huge failure. So while nobody set up a date for everyone to arrive and show their Disney love, over the course of the years, people did.
You're claiming that this "CFA Day" is stocked with a pile of people who don't care about the religion, but instead care about the free speech element (to the extent it exists, which I think it doesn't).

However, there are literally zero other wide-scale boycotts that received the same "free speech" backlash/support for the boycotted company, including ones against companies (like Disney) that were primarily based in related issues (Disney's boycott was based on a movie - seems clearly free speech - and giving rights to gay employees).

The success of the original boycott is irrelevant (and it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse even bringing that up) - unless you're somehow claiming people would have done the same thing had Disney suffered? That seems wildly unsupportable - this was a complete organized "un-boycott" by religious organizations.

Occam's Razor says this was a religion thing - not a "free speech" thing (which barely even applies).
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Old 08-02-2012, 05:27 PM
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The reason the CEO of CFA pissed me off was because, as CEO of his company, he's not just speaking for himself. He leads a company, and presumably, its business practices. I haven't looked at CFA's benefits for its workers in its stores and corporate, but if he is letting his personal beliefs infringe on the rights of his employees (legal and tax benefits), it is no longer just about his right to free speech...it's also about the company's treatment and support of its workforce. He has a right to say what he wants, but that doesn't mean I (and others) have to like it or respect the content of his words.

Here in Washington state we'll have a referendum on our November ballot to either uphold (Yes) the equal marriage law our state legislature passed this year, or strike it down (No). A number of large employers in our state - Boeing, Microsoft, Starbucks, Google, Amazon, Nike, Facebook - have publicly endorsed equal marriage because they believe in equal rights for all of their employees. They care about attracting the most skilled workforce, and keeping them happy by offering them great benefits is one way to keep a competitive edge. They can't attract the best talent - regardless of sexual orientation - if people don't want to move to the state because they can't marry here and get the same benefits their coworkers and neighbors receive. There are plenty of legal, tax and money-saving benefits that come with marriage, and plus, who really wants to live someplace where they're a second class citizen if there are other places that will welcome them with open arms? In addition to businesses, though, nonprofit and government entities in our state have endorsed the Yes campaign, including the Seattle Chamber of Commerce, King County Labor Council, YWCA and tons of churches/houses of worship and faith organizations.

If the head of CFA is in favor of discriminating against any gay employees that may work for him, not offering them the same benefits as his straight employees, then I have every right to hold CFA accountable.
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Old 08-02-2012, 10:02 PM
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Has anyone posted this yet?
I like it. It helped me understand a bit more.

http://www.owldolatrous.com/?p=288
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Old 08-02-2012, 10:06 PM
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Nothing says tolerance and respect like bullying a teen:

http://www.businessinsider.com/vante...-for-it-2012-8

”I’m a nice guy, by the way … totally heterosexual," he continues. "Not a gay in me, I just can’t stand the hate."


We obviously have different definitions of "nice guy".
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Old 08-02-2012, 11:27 PM
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There have been many boycotts since the invention of social media.

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Thanks for asking instead of just assuming that I'd lost my mind.

I'm assuming you have lost your mind. Your post was horrible. The wording was horrible and what seemed to be embedded in your post was questionable.


Do you and other people really gauge concern and importance based on what clogs your faceboook feed? This world is definitely coming to an end.

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Old 08-02-2012, 11:45 PM
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There have been many boycotts since the invention of social media.




I'm assuming you have lost your mind. Your post was horrible. The wording was horrible and what is embedded was horrible.


Do you really gauge concern and importance based on what clogs your faceboook feed? This world is definitely coming to an end.

Embedded?

Yeah, I agree that I didn't ask what I was actually thinking about very well.

Why has the present Chick-fil-a issue blown up? I can't really say if there is more concern or importance to it, but people seem to be talking about it a lot more. It seemed to me that the social media role was slightly different with this one, and that seemed significant. Maybe it's not.

There was no real change in Chick-fil-a's position. There was already a Chick-fil-a boycott because of Chick-fil-a's position. Religion was always a factor.

Maybe it's just that the folks involved managed the issue in a way that prolonged its coverage. Huckabee named a date which produced scenes that could be shown on the news. The Kiss-In is likely to produce news worthy footage as well. It's an election year. It's not bad economic news.

Or maybe interest in the issue will just dry up soon and it won't be any more significant, in attention paid, than other boycotts in the age of social media.
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Old 08-02-2012, 11:55 PM
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Embedded?
Whose level of concern and importance are facebook feeds supposed to gauge?

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Yeah, I agree that I didn't ask what I was actually thinking about very well.
LOL. I just have to pick on you because you ETA and it still sucked.


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Why has the present Chick-fil-a issue blown up? I can't really say if there is more concern or importance to it, but people seem to be talking about it a lot more. It seemed to me that the social media role was slightly different with this one, and that seemed significant. Maybe it's not.
Lasting oppressions that have become a a big topic over the years + media + politicians running their mouths + media + faceboook + media + all that other stuff....

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Old 08-03-2012, 12:06 AM
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Embedded?

Yeah, I agree that I didn't ask what I was actually thinking about very well.

Why has the present Chick-fil-a issue blown up? I can't really say if there is more concern or importance to it, but people seem to be talking about it a lot more. It seemed to me that the social media role was slightly different with this one, and that seemed significant. Maybe it's not.

There was no real change in Chick-fil-a's position. There was already a Chick-fil-a boycott because of Chick-fil-a's position. Religion was always a factor.

Maybe it's just that the folks involved managed the issue in a way that prolonged its coverage. Huckabee named a date which produced scenes that could be shown on the news. The Kiss-In is likely to produce news worthy footage as well. It's an election year. It's not bad economic news.

Or maybe interest in the issue will just dry up soon and it won't be any more significant, in attention paid, than other boycotts in the age of social media.
#1. No one cares what One Million Moms has to say because they water down their message by boycotting everyone.
#2. Yeah, social media helped this go crazy because the people who were targeted for the boycott are the same group who make things go viral on the Internet. One Million Moms will never go viral except with the flu passed from one of their kids to a million of their other kids.
#3. It is an election year, so both sides do see an opportunity to rev up the base. It's a problem from both sides. Huckabee wasn't supporting Chik-Fil-A for fear that anyone was really going to go out of business but for a chance to flex some political muscle. at the same time, Human Rights Campaign is sending out emails and writing articles and making new Chik-Fil-A logos with the catch phrase "We didn't invent discrimination. We just support it." People actually believed it was Chik-Fil-A's new logo.
#4. None of this changes the fact that this is a real issue to a large number of Americans.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:17 AM
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#1. No one cares what One Million Moms has to say because they water down their message by boycotting everyone.
#2. Yeah, social media helped this go crazy because the people who were targeted for the boycott are the same group who make things go viral on the Internet. One Million Moms will never go viral except with the flu passed from one of their kids to a million of their other kids.
#3. It is an election year, so both sides do see an opportunity to rev up the base. It's a problem from both sides. Huckabee wasn't supporting Chik-Fil-A for fear that anyone was really going to go out of business but for a chance to flex some political muscle. at the same time, Human Rights Campaign is sending out emails and writing articles and making new Chik-Fil-A logos with the catch phrase "We didn't invent discrimination. We just support it." People actually believed it was Chik-Fil-A's new logo.
#4. None of this changes the fact that this is a real issue to a large number of Americans.

No doubt it's a real issue. I certainly didn't mean to suggest that it wasn't.

I just started thinking about kSig's question about the Disney boycott back in the day and was trying to think of contemporary parallels and couldn't think of anything that got this big.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:19 AM
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I just started thinking about kSig's question about the Disney boycott back in the day and was trying to think of contemporary parallels and couldn't think of anything that got this big.
I do agree with what you're saying here, it's tough to gauge "big" because of the influence of social media.

I just don't think it's particularly relevant to the comparison, since (theoretically) we're comparing motivations and intent.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:58 AM
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#2. Yeah, social media helped this go crazy because the people who were targeted for the boycott are the same group who make things go viral on the Internet. One Million Moms will never go viral except with the flu passed from one of their kids to a million of their other kids.
Moms are some of the heaviest users of social media. I just got done working on a study on this topic at work. Motherhood is very isolating for many women, so they turn to blogging and social media networks to interact with others. Moms online are VERY social with each other, they are BIG into sharing, and word spreads like wild fire when they love or hate something.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:26 AM
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Moms are some of the heaviest users of social media. I just got done working on a study on this topic at work. Motherhood is very isolating for many women, so they turn to blogging and social media networks to interact with others. Moms online are VERY social with each other, they are BIG into sharing, and word spreads like wild fire when they love or hate something.
One Million Moms don't exactly represent the average demographics of the American populace. They skew very right wing and are backed by an extremely right wing group, the American Family Association. The majority in this country are in the middle about homosexuality to accepting, which is my point. One Million Moms might do a better job if they stopped and focused on one issue or object of ire, but it's pretty difficult to effectively boycott Amazon, JC Penney, Sears, Oreos, Gap, TV shows like "The Soul Man", "The Client List" and "Don't Trust the Bitch in Apt 23" as well as commercials for Macy's and Liquid Plumr. OMG. You'd need more than one million moms for anyone to care about that list.
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