NPHC vs. 25/52 Family-Why the animosity?

[33girl]

Originally posted by ahhkbah:
Where can I go to see Alpha Phi Omega's that brand, wear gold boots, step, and twirl? Does it happen on non-HBCU campuses. I am not trying to be an ass, I am just asking. The 25/52 family on my campus does nothing like that. They have nothing at all to do with NPHC.

I can only speak for my own campus (not a HBCU) and say that it would have been an extremely sorry sight if my APO chapter would have tried to step. We would have been falling on our faces and then some.

I'd like to give 2 snaps up (and a high five) to all the NPHC ladies who contributed to this thread for their EXCELLENT posts.

RM, rather old thought for you to chew on: You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[12dn94dst]

Thanks 33girl for the compliment.

ahhkbah, I have a tape of a Savannah State University (an HBCU) homecoming step show in which the APO chapter stepped in gold boots. If you'd like to see it, let me know & I'll dig it up for you.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by ahhkbah:
Where can I go to see Alpha Phi Omega's that brand, wear gold boots, step, and twirl? Does it happen on non-HBCU campuses. I am not trying to be an ass, I am just asking. The 25/52 family on my campus does nothing like that. They have nothing at all to do with NPHC.

Here are some campuses to check out, akhbah:

Floriday A&M University (Kappa Delta)
They just had a pro show that was the BOMB on April 11th.

Fort Valley State University (Phi Zeta)
They had a fantastic step show last month

Tuskeegee University (Pi Zeta)
Lamar University (Kappa Alpha)
Prairie View A&M University (Sigma Pi)
Texas Southern University (Tau Zeta)
Austin Peay State University (Upsilon Alpha)
Tennessee State University (Psi Phi)
Dillard University (Chi Upsilon)
Grambling State University (Chi Nu)

These are just to name a few

Hope this helps

Rain Man

[ahhkbah]

33girl, 12dn94dst, Rain Man
Thanks for all of your replies. That has helped me out a lot.

Peace

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...I am standing on the shoulders of giants...

[ahhkbah]

12dn94dst I'd like to see that tape. I would have e-mailed you but my computer won't connect me to my email right now...technology.

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...I am standing on the shoulders of giants...

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Rain Man:
Here are some campuses to check out, akhbah:

Grambling State University (Chi Nu)

YAY, one of my alma maters!
Just have to do a shout-out!

OH, and to add to the convo, at our school you would not find NON-NPHC orgs stepping in the greek show.

I think that ONE TIME KKPsi POSSIBLY stepped during the intermission, while the judges totaled the scores, that was about it.

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by 12dn94dst:
Thanks 33girl for the compliment.

ahhkbah, I have a tape of a Savannah State University (an HBCU) homecoming step show in which the APO chapter stepped in gold boots. If you'd like to see it, let me know & I'll dig it up for you.

Sista Kelly, were members of Omega Psi Phi in attendance at this event? I can't imagine this travesty being allowed without severe repercussions. When the Iota Colony at TSU attempted to do the same thing, they were taught a lesson in NPHC etiquette with a quickness. Oh well, different campuses, different flava I guess.

BTW, there is a famous comedian in LA who is an APO but is claiming to be a member of my fraternity, from my chapter, from my year!! I was told this by comedian Steve Harvey. After, I picked my jaw up off the floor, I quickly informed "Mr. Hightower" that he was dealing with a perp.

[12dn94dst]

Originally posted by DoggyStyle82:
Sista Kelli, were members of Omega Psi Phi in attendance at this event? I can't imagine this travesty being allowed without severe repercussions. When the Iota Colony at TSU attempted to do the same thing, they were taught a lesson in NPHC etiquette with a quickness. Oh well, different campuses, different flava I guess.

No, the Bruhs were not there, they were suspended at the time and no other Bruhs made the trip to that show. The chapter came off suspension the quarter following the show. Now that I think about it, that was the first & last time I saw APOs in gold boots in public like that.

[12dn94dst]

Originally posted by ahhkbah:
12dn94dst I'd like to see that tape. I would have e-mailed you but my computer won't connect me to my email right now...technology.

Cool. Like I said, I have to dig it up. I'll let you know when I find it.

[SweetestDiva]

Originally posted by Rain Man:
Here are some campuses to check out, akhbah:
ya-ya-ya-ya-ya.....
Lamar University (Kappa Alpha)

Hope this helps

Rain Man

RM - Is this Lamar University in Beaumont, TX? Just curious, cause if so it's the only non-HBCU on the list and in my hometown. Just being nosey.

[SweetestDiva]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
I think that ONE TIME KKPsi POSSIBLY stepped during the intermission, while the judges totaled the scores, that was about it.

KKPsi steps at the annual show the Kappas put on. I attend a REALLY REALLY predominantly white university, so most of the teams are usually from other schools. Of course our KKPsi chapter is lily-white.. so when the ones from PV went to steppin we were like WHAAAA?? I never knew.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by SweetestDiva:
RM - Is this Lamar University in Beaumont, TX? Just curious, cause if so it's the only non-HBCU on the list and in my hometown. Just being nosey.

Yes, Sweetest Diva, that is the Beaumont, TX campus of Lamar U.

I am going to give you a list of chapters where Alpha Phi Omega has represented at HBCUs or at non-HBCUs but are all male.

Here we go. Ready?

Johnson C. Smith U. (Delta Phi)
Howard U. (Zeta Phi)
Central State U. (Iota Epsilon)
FAMU (Kappa Delta)
Southern-BR (Kappa Lambda)
Xavier (Kappa Xi)
Wiley (Kappa Pi)
North Carolina A&T (Kappa Psi)--They used to be all-male, recently they returned coed.
Morgan State (Mu Gamma)
Bethune-Cookman (Nu Iota)
West Virginia State (Omicron Gamma)
Philander Smith (Pi Alpha)
Alabama A&M (Pi Epsilon)
Tuskeegee (Pi Zeta)
Kentucky State (Pi Omega)
Savannah State (Rho Epsilon)
U of Md. Eastern Shore (Rho Omicron)--After a futile attempt to recharter after spending 5 years as a petitioning group, the remaining 10 disbanded to form Theta Beta Phi Fraternity
Prairie View A&M (Sigma Pi)
Lincoln U. (Pa) (Sigma Omega)
Southern-NO (Tau Gamma)
Texas Southern (Tau Zeta)
Austin-Peay (Upsilon Alpha)
Clark-Atlanta (Upsilon Chi)
Norfolk State (Phi Mu)
Florida Memorial (Phi Phi)
Elizabeth City State (Chi Lambda)
Grambling (Chi Nu)
Dillard (Chi Upsilon)
Rust College (Psi Lambda)
Benedict (Psi Nu)
Alabama State (Psi Xi)
Morehouse (Psi Omicron)
Virginia State (Psi Sigma)
Albany State (Psi Tau)
Tennesse State (Psi Phi)
U. of Ark.-Pine Bluff (Psi Psi)
Tougaloo College (Omega Phi)
Jackson State (Omega Psi)
Barber Scotia (Alpha Alpha Iota)
Alcorn State (Alpha Alpha Lambda)
Morris (Alpha Beta Theta)

No new chapters have been chartered on an HBCU since 1985.

Some non-HBCU all-male chapters, past or present (includes chapters that were coed, yet segregated--asterisk indicates such)

U. of Pittsburgh (Beta)*
U. of Florida (Tau)
U. of Texas (Alpha Rho)*--This I found interesting, because the majority of our national presidents and national officers pledged this chapter
Kent State University (Epsilon Psi)
U. of Illinois-Carbondale (Zeta Nu)--After this group had their charter revoked at Convention for an alledged hazing incident, they formed Phi Rho Eta Fraternity.
Troy State University (Nu Omicron)
Miami-Dade Community College (Sigma Chi)
Tallahassee Community College (Alpha Alpha Tau)
Broward Community College (Alpha Beta Upsilon)

This list is by NO means all-inclusive.
Rain Man

[DST Love]

Originally posted by Rain Man:

Clark-Atlanta (Upsilon Chi)
Rain Man

I never saw any at Clark Atlanta. Is this recent?

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by DST Love:
I never saw any at Clark Atlanta. Is this recent?

Yes! This is a past and present listing.
APO has not been at theClark-Atlanta campus since 1994.

[JayBEE!]

Skeet Skeet!!!

Wassup Rain Man, I see you've been holding it down.

What I've seen in here is typical of what we have been getting over the years.

The Question: "Why the need?" is all over this page. Let me explain.....

Kimmie1913 - "This seems to be a local issue exclusive to those campuses where APO/GSS are sen as trying to represent like other BGLO's.

This statement, althought carefully orchestrated as to attempt to not offend, comes off as still being condensending. Because it assumes that APO/GSS are seen as trying to represent AS other BGLO's. Not
Just being who they want to be. The problem is how we are preceived by individuals who don't know the history behind us. We are new to them.

Why the need?

Kimmie1913 - (APO in particular, some all male chapters, other co-ed chapters, some have this symbol, others have that symbol, some focus on service only, others want to have line names and calls) is there any wonder people may not be clear/ familliar with who you are?

Ahhh, the need is clear and we have come full circle. It is very evident that people need to know. It "can" be very confusing. But the confusion should not lead to anger. It should lead to curiosity.

Why the need?


ahhkbah - The 25/52 family on my campus does nothing like that. They have nothing at all to do with NPHC.

Every where you see a APO and/or GSS group you do not see a 25/52 group. Some campuses as we stated earlier are not in the 25/52 family. You see, in the 25/52 family all the members of the fraternity are men and all the sisters in the sorority are female. Then you have individuals that are at coed chapters which carry themselves totally different. All the Alpha Phi Omega brothers in all male chapter 25/52 chapters consider all the males Ay-Phi-Que from their rich heritage. And you are correct, they do not have anything to do with the NPHC. I saw some brothers in Ay-Phi-Que recently get Branded. And they've been doing that for a long time. Gold Boots, Army Boots, Call, What does it matter? Why does stepping attire matter? I've seen Iota's stepping in Gold Boots. Dang! That goes right in there with some DST sister putting a check on a GSS sister about the color marron that they wear. It's pointless. If you have gold in your national colors, why get checked for wearing anything gold.

Why the Need?

33girl - I can only speak for my own campus (not a HBCU) and say that it would have been an extremely sorry sight if my APO chapter would have tried to step. We would have been falling on our faces and then some.

Hello brother 33girl. You probably haven't seen anything like APQbrothers and GSSsisters
comming together in a step show, saying the Call Skeet Skeet, or calling themselves Vikings or frat with a brand on his shoulder.
But that's okay. Just as white GLO's and Black GLO's are different, so is the contigency of the 25/52 family and Coed Chapters. We do are thing because, as the
NPHC grows, we "Service Greeks" refused to be squeezed out by condesending "NPHC Orgs".

Why the need?

Because if we continue to not enlighten others of who we are, then assumptions will reign. And because I already know that they
have talked negatively about our orgs to individuals, discussing our legitamacy in just the greek system alone. There always a
need. Like Kimmie1913 said, It happens. If you do not stand up for your org, then you legitamize what is being said about your org.

The question was "Why the animosity?". Stated as such to located it and review it and shed light to it if necessary. That's all. Because there is a need for a general unstanding. Especially from the people that
refuse to inquire and attempt to explain what they've seen with the knowledge they should acquire first.

If we began 5 years ago doing this and that, I would be more receptive, maybe. Even then
if what I was doing was simular it would have to be identical for me to even ask all chapters to change what we do/did.

What do the 25/52 family expect from the NPHC orgs? Something simple as respect. Why the NPHC orgs? because that has been where the disrespect has came from. And that may not be in your area but it's been in several areas. Every org that access this page may not be even aware of this consending character that we feel runs rampet. That has doesn't say that it doesn't exist. And if we have educated one today, then that'll be on less attitude that we have to come across tommorrow.

Much love to all the GLO's, because we are all brothers and sisters. I just happen to be a Ay-Phi-Que Viking!

Skeet Skeet!

JayBEE!