2008-09 SEC Recruitment Thread

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Just interested

Does Georgia not have Quota Additions if you follow all the rules and make it to pref?

I'm no expert or official, but here's what I think:

In the past, they've had quota additions, but they don't guarantee bids even if you maximize apparently. So, it's possible that a girl could just be too far down the bid list to make it even if she maximizes, especially if she only preffed one house and has only one place she can be added.

On the other hand, she does have a better chance than just regular bid matching would allow if she's close to the point on the list at which the group made quota.

(Up until last year, I though that QAs meant that a girl would be matched no matter what if she maximized, but not at UGA at least.)

[NUBlue&Blue]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I'm no expert or official, but here's what I think:

In the past, they've had quota additions, but they don't guarantee bids even if you maximize apparently. So, it's possible that a girl could just be too far down the bid list to make it even if she maximizes, especially if she only preffed one house and has only one place she can be added.

On the other hand, she does have a better chance than just regular bid matching would allow if she's close to the point on the list at which the group made quota.

(Up until last year, I though that QAs meant that a girl would be matched no matter what if she maximized, but not at UGA at least.)

This is what happened to one of my daughter's close friends last year (that's how we learned about it together, UGAalum94, remember?!) She was heartbroken, to say the least. She was just too far down the bid list and the chapter was at total even though it was smaller than some of the other chapters at UGA, they couldn't take her.

However, a couple of weeks later she accepted a bid to another chapter through COB and was named their outstanding new member last year. Her picture even appeared in this year's Pointer on that chapter's page.

Four chapters did COB in the spring, and the chapter that she had preffed during formal rush ended up participating, but she is very happy where she pledged and is already serving in a leadership position.

So, the moral of the story is......heartbreak happens. What you do with it after that is up to you.

[barnard1897]

Originally Posted by NUBlue&Blue

So, the moral of the story is......heartbreak happens. What you do with it after that is up to you.

So true, and so well put! These are great words of advice for life in general and certainly for PNMs. If we all let the social hierarchy of a campus sorority system dictate the people we become, what a sad world that would be!

The questions each PNM must ask herself, especially if going through an extremely competitive FR at an SEC school, are: Do I want to be a part of a sorority at this big Greek campus, and work hard to make it a home for myself, even if it may not be the place I thought I wanted to be? Did I only want this in order to attach a name to myself, or can I make a good name for myself anywhere from which I am lucky enough to receive a bid ?

4 years goes by in a flash (ok, 5 for those on an extended plan....). While it may matter to an handful of folks whether you were an xyz or abc, or where, for most of your life, you'll be seen solely as a member of the greater organization, and regarded for how you contribute.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by NUBlue&Blue

This is what happened to one of my daughter's close friends last year (that's how we learned about it together, UGAalum94, remember?!) She was heartbroken, to say the least. She was just too far down the bid list and the chapter was at total even though it was smaller than some of the other chapters at UGA, they couldn't take her.

However, a couple of weeks later she accepted a bid to another chapter through COB and was named their outstanding new member last year. Her picture even appeared in this year's Pointer on that chapter's page.

Four chapters did COB in the spring, and the chapter that she had preffed during formal rush ended up participating, but she is very happy where she pledged and is already serving in a leadership position.

So, the moral of the story is......heartbreak happens. What you do with it after that is up to you.

Yep, that's exactly how I learned it. I thought the policy at UGA was like Arkansas's so it was a little sad to me that it didn't work that way. I'm glad it worked out for your daughter's friend.

[BBelleADPi]

Update on my rec girl at UGA.

She's a direct legacy to Delta Zeta (grandmother), Delta, Delta, Delta (mother), and Zeta Tau Alpha (sister.)

She has a had a fabulous rush!

Today she is preffing at 3 awesome chapters; a bid from any of these will be wonderful!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by BBelleADPi

Update on my rec girl at UGA.

She's a direct legacy to Delta Zeta (grandmother), Delta, Delta, Delta (mother), and Zeta Tau Alpha (sister.)

She has a had a fabulous rush!

Today she is preffing at 3 awesome chapters; a bid from any of these will be wonderful!

Are those the chapters she is preffing?

[BBelleADPi]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Are those the chapters she is preffing?

One of them is!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by BBelleADPi

One of them is!

Excellent! I didn't mean to pry so much as I was astonished that after all we hear about legacy cuts that she had kept them all.

[UARK GO HOGS]

I had heard that, given all the "everyone is special" stuff lately.......everyone that hangs in there through rush is guaranteed a bid somewhere (arkansas). seems crazy to me......true or false?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by UARK GO HOGS

I had heard that, given all the "everyone is special" stuff lately.......everyone that hangs in there through rush is guaranteed a bid somewhere (arkansas). seems crazy to me......true or false?

It's really not that bad considering you could be cut out before prefs. It's just saying that if people are serious enough to pref you and you're serious enough about them to list all of them on the bid card then you get to match to someone.

It's not quite like they spot you invites all the way through. If a group doesn't really want to see someone in the pledge class, they probably shouldn't be preffing her anyway.

[irishpipes]

I have never heard that Arkansas has guaranteed placement, and it is very, very competitive to boot. But at any campus if a PNM "hangs in there" they are extremely likely to get a bid. It just might not be to the chapter they want.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I have never heard that Arkansas has guaranteed placement, and it is very, very competitive to boot. But at any campus if a PNM "hangs in there" they are extremely likely to get a bid. It just might not be to the chapter they want.

This is what I was going to say. There is at least one chapter who will take you as long as you don't flip them off or piss in their living room. But seeing as they usually end up taking only 40 people, most people don't go that route.

[exlurker]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I have never heard that Arkansas has guaranteed placement, and it is very, very competitive to boot. But at any campus if a PNM "hangs in there" they are extremely likely to get a bid. It just might not be to the chapter they want.

Hi irishpipes (and others):

Looks like IF a woman "hangs in there," AND is invited to at least one preference party, AND doesn't intentional single preference, she is indeed "highly likely" (at the very least) to get a bid. However, I certainly don't make or interpret their rules, so please see the following paragraph, which is a quote from Arkansas Panhellenic's rules and procedures (it's in PDF or something similar, I believe, and accessible from Ark Panhellenic's web site:

"Preference cards will be filled out within one half hour after the last preference party. A PNM may decided to “Intentional Single Preference” (putting only one sorority name on a preference card), but it is strongly discouraged. If a PNM attends a single house on Preference Night, she is guaranteed a bid. If, however, she attends two houses and commits Intentional Single Preference, she is not guaranteed a bid."

The page from which the "2008 Recruitment Rules" can be accessed:

http://uagreeks.uark.edu/1437.htm

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by exlurker

Hi irishpipes (and others):

Looks like IF a woman "hangs in there," AND is invited to at least one preference party, AND doesn't intentional single preference, she is indeed "highly likely" (at the very least) to get a bid. However, I certainly don't make or interpret their rules, so please see the following paragraph, which is a quote from Arkansas Panhellenic's rules and procedures (it's in PDF or something similar, I believe, and accessible from Ark Panhellenic's web site:

"Preference cards will be filled out within one half hour after the last preference party. A PNM may decided to “Intentional Single Preference” (putting only one sorority name on a preference card), but it is strongly discouraged. If a PNM attends a single house on Preference Night, she is guaranteed a bid. If, however, she attends two houses and commits Intentional Single Preference, she is not guaranteed a bid."

The page from which the "2008 Recruitment Rules" can be accessed:

http://uagreeks.uark.edu/1437.htm

I was on campus yesterday working on the building and I stopped by rush practice at the house. I asked the Chapter Adviser this very question (does Ark have guaranteed placement), and her answer was, "What's that?"

So, if Panhellenic is doing that, even the chapters might not be aware of it. That's actually entirely possible, since they just prepare their lists and they're informed later of who they got. I don't think they would know how the NM's name got on the list. (Meaning by a real bid match or a forced match.)

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I was on campus yesterday working on the building and I stopped by rush practice at the house. I asked the Chapter Adviser this very question (does Ark have guaranteed placement), and her answer was, "What's that?"

So, if Panhellenic is doing that, even the chapters might not be aware of it. That's actually entirely possible, since they just prepare their lists and they're informed later of who they got. I don't think they would know how the NM's name got on the list. (Meaning by a real bid match or a forced match.)

These would not be forced matches anyway. If, for example, AOII got a girl from their second bid list after filling all of their quota slots, that girl would be a quota addition. IF you got to pref, then the chapters (according to NPC agreements) are willing and happy to accept any of those women into their chapter. Guaranteed bids for people who pref'd at least one chapter just places women who may not have been first list but ARE somewhere on the bid list.