Heath Ledger is dead

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Well, He took one too many sleeping pills.

OK, Mr. Coroner...

You DON'T know that for sure. Let's be honest and admit that we are all speculating based on info that seems to change as time goes on.

Let's not accuse him of overdosing on sleeping pills until the experts in the case figure out why he died. Remember, some are saying he had pneumonia, too... Point is, who are we to sit back and judge this guy for the way he was living his life? We know nothing about the guy personally other than some reports from a couple of valid sources and oh, yeah --- TMZ.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

OK, Mr. Coroner...

You DON'T know that for sure. Let's be honest and admit that we are all speculating based on info that seems to change as time goes on.

Ok, Ms. Sarcastic,

Read something before you criticize it, at the end I said "i don't know, and its too soon to tell." I was just addressing the people on here with the media jump that he was some drug addy. Saying, as far as we know (and at the end I said we dont really know) but as far as we can tell right now, he took one too many sleeping pills. I was presenting a simple, non-hollywood perspective

I was basically saying the same thing you were. Its too soon to say anything for sure, and therefor you can't judge the guy. So, dont judge me!

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

OK, Mr. Coroner...

You DON'T know that for sure. Let's be honest and admit that we are all speculating based on info that seems to change as time goes on.

Let's not accuse him of overdosing on sleeping pills until the experts in the case figure out why he died. Remember, some are saying he had pneumonia, too... Point is, who are we to sit back and judge this guy for the way he was living his life? We know nothing about the guy personally other than some reports from a couple of valid sources and oh, yeah --- TMZ.

He had a history of doing drugs, was found dead in his bed with sleeping pills everywhere and a rolled up 20$ bill next to his bed.

No, we don't know what "really" happened, and won't for a week or two.........but that little bit of evidence screams like a drug induced death. May not have been an overdose but if he was mixing coke (hence rolled up 20$) and downers like Valium, Zoloft, and Ambien, which were all found in his apartment, he could have easily stopped his heart or something similar.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by macallan25

No, we don't know what "really" happened, and won't for a week or two.........but that little bit of evidence screams like a drug induced death. May not have been an overdose but if he was mixing coke (hence rolled up 20$) and downers like Valium, Zoloft, and Ambien, which were all found in his apartment, he could have easily stopped his heart or something similar.

You're right, we don't really know. And this is just a theory, but I have heard of people taking prescription medication and snorting it to make it take effect quicker/longer/more intensely. Maybe he snorted some of the prescription meds (hence the $20 being rolled up and coming up negative for cocaine) to relax quicker. It would also be easier to OD this way, since it would not take as much medication to OD as it would if he was swallowing the pills.

[MTSUGURL]

I teared up over this one. OTW, how appropriate.
How sad.

[DSTCHAOS]

Saying someone overdosed on sleeping pills does not mean that you are saying it was an intentional overdose rather than an accidental overdose. Chill out, people. Celebrities and noncelebs combine medications, and take too many doses of a single medication, and accidentally die sometimes. It happens. Gerald Levert allegedly mixed medications or something to that effect.

We can not know his intent until there is further investigation--if it is ever known. There is no suicide note or suicide conservation that he had with someone that has been uncovered yet.

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The View's discussion was interesting. Whoopi was talking about her dark days. Every human being has dark days. Magnify that by the loneliness and whatever else of being a celebrity who is going through "regular people stuff" mixed with "celeb stuff." This doesn't mean that every sad and lonely nonceleb and celeb will consider and attempt suicide. Even if they do, a "successful suicide" is often a cry for help that accidentally resulted in death. Just things to consider because in suicidology we use a typology and find that there's nothing new under the sun, unfortunately.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Saying someone overdosed on sleeping pills does not mean that you are saying it was an intentional overdose rather than an accidental overdose. Chill out, people. Celebrities and noncelebs combine medications, and take too many doses of a single medication, and accidentally die sometimes. It happens. Gerald Levert allegedly mixed medications or something to that effect.

We can not know his intent until there is further investigation--if it is ever known. There is no suicide note or suicide conservation that he had with someone that has been uncovered yet.

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The View's discussion was interesting. Whoopi was talking about her dark days. Every human being has dark days. Magnify that by the loneliness and whatever else of being a celebrity who is going through "regular people stuff" mixed with "celeb stuff." This doesn't mean that every sad and lonely nonceleb and celeb will consider and attempt suicide. Even if they do, a "successful suicide" is often a cry for help that accidentally resulted in death. Just things to consider because in suicidology we use a typology and find that there's nothing new under the sun, unfortunately.

Key word: "allegedly"

[honeychile]

I thought I heard he was taking Ambien. If that's true, I'm fairly sure that, pharmaceutically, you can't die from an overdose of Ambien. Unless, of course, you combine it with other meds or alcohol.

But then again, Ambien realy messes with your head. I've had clients do all sorts of crazy things while taking it. He could have taken a couple Ambien, and done something "normal", but the combination was lethal. I'm withholding judgment until the final coroner's report.

Yahoo mentions Ambien use, Heath's trouble sleeping.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Key word: "allegedly"

Uh huh.....

[Jill1228]

Fred Phelps is a major asswipe!

[Senusret I]

I went to high school with TWO people who were on Teen Summit!

(One was my friend. He got fired and replaced with the one I had a crush on. Scandal!)

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I went to high school with TWO people who were on Teen Summit!

(One was my friend. He got fired and replaced with the one I had a crush on. Scandal!)

I loved Teen Summit!!

You should write a tell-all!!

[ZTABullwinkle]

Random thought...

I don't know why LA and NYC haven't thought about this. But, why haven't they thought to hold up sheets, or building something that can be easily put together and pulled apart to block the view of the media during scenes like removing Heath Ledger's body from the building? (I know, grammar police, it is a run-on sentence.) I was more than disturbed by the swarm of media trying to get the "money shot" of the body going into the van, especially when they hit a bump....

Random thought, probably to common sense for anyone to think of it...

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

You're right, we don't really know. And this is just a theory, but I have heard of people taking prescription medication and snorting it to make it take effect quicker/longer/more intensely. Maybe he snorted some of the prescription meds (hence the $20 being rolled up and coming up negative for cocaine) to relax quicker. It would also be easier to OD this way, since it would not take as much medication to OD as it would if he was swallowing the pills.

It does make sense. Look at Kinicki from Grease on Celebrity Rehab? That's what he was doing.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

It does make sense. Look at Kinicki from Grease on Celebrity Rehab? That's what he was doing.

Kinicki is an ABSOLUTE MESS!!!!