Fellow BGLO Greeks...

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
Membership DOES have its privileges!
Regardless if it's AKA, DST, ZPB, SGR, Me Phi Me, You Phi Me! EVERYONE CANNOT AND WILL NOT be a member of these organizations or OTHERS! No matter how hard he or she tries. ONE SHOULD SAY THIS CLICHE' WITH PRIDE, regardless of the organization!

Anyone can organize a group of people and call them WHATEVER, but WE ALL know that they will not likely be REVERED like the ELITE EIGHT or the DIVINE NINE!

And, What is this signing guestbook crap? What is that about?

Now, for "organizing and namng" that's fine that you all did/do that. I, personally, do not see why it is necessary. That's why there were 4 groups for me to choose. I chose the organization that was best for ME. And it just so happens that they do not have an "auxilliary" group.

That is NOT being CLOSED MINDED...It's just being truthful.

I guess that if my organization DID have an auxilliary then my ideology would be different. So, if your organization has one, THEN YOU SHOULD GO TO BACK YOUR ORGANIZATION. I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD!

But, don't expect everyone to see things your way and call it having a CLOSED MIND!

Everyone here has his or her own opinion. That includes me, my soror, a fellow sister in greekdom, or Jane Doe. Regarding this topic, my opinion remains THE SAME!

BTW,
MY MIND IS VERY OPEN!

I will reply by paragraph.

Paragraph 1: OK, if you say so.
Paragraph 2: That is strictly a matter of opinion, period. BTW, I will not nor will I ever refer to NPHC orgs as the Elite 8 or Divine Nine. You can if you want to, but I won't
Paragraph 3: Y'know, when I see NPHC orgs hating on Black non-NPHC orgs via the website guestbooks, I wonder the same thing. So if you find out before I do, lemme know, ok? Thanks

Paragraphs 4-8: *in the same calm neutral tone as before* OK, if you say so.

Thank you AKA2D for you input.

Next!!!!

Rain Man

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by mccoyred:
Rain Man, we have a right to be proud of our history. There are few other Black orgs in this country with such a long history. While there have been non-NPHC orgs before and since our foundings, ours have endured!!

The 'hate' on non-NPHC BGLOs is different than you describe. The question is that if someone is going to found a 'new' BGLO, at least be original...at least don't copy the very same things for which the NPHC orgs are being disparaged.


BTW, how old is the Christian GLO of which you spoke?

Well, mccoyred, as far as copying, I wouldn't worry about that, fake orgs will usually won't last long anyway. But I wonder how many NIC or NPC orgs hate on locals or new orgs because they are copying aspects of NIC/NPC orgs. I am trying to separate the substancial from the trivial.

As far as the Christian org's history, it was formed as a merger between two Christian fraternities, one founded in 1925, the other founded in 1936. The merger was formed in 1941 under a NPHC org's name. When this was found out, they changed the name in 1949. When I asked which year they recognized, they could not give an answer, probably because IMHO they do not get hung up on that aspect.

Hope this helps.

[mccoyred]

Well RainMan, I am sorry to say that this org will probably NOT institute alumnae chapters, regardless of your late night brainstorming session. Usually this type of structural change is done early in the organizational process. Since they have been around at least since 1941, they probably don't have a need for alumnae chapters.

Originally posted by Rain Man:
As far as the Christian org's history, it was formed as a merger between two Christian fraternities, one founded in 1925, the other founded in 1936. The merger was formed in 1941 under a NPHC org's name. When this was found out, they changed the name in 1949. When I asked which year they recognized, they could not give an answer, probably because IMHO they do not get hung up on that aspect.

Hope this helps.

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MCCOYRED

Dynamic
Salient
Temperate

Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

[mccoyred]

Good Luck!

Originally posted by Rain Man:
Not necessairily true, Mccoyred. They are currently in the process of starting alumni chapters for those that are already in the brotherhood and want to continue the experience after graduation. It's the matter of initiating those who have not had the chance to pledge/join as an undergrad via an alumni chapter that is being discussed currently. And even if they don't, I appreciate the time they took to consider it, plus chances are that they will probably give those in my predicament some alternative means to join and not leave us "in the cold." Some alternatives have already been discussed and contemplated.

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MCCOYRED

Dynamic
Salient
Temperate

Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

[mccoyred]

Good Luck!

Originally posted by Rain Man:
Not necessairily true, Mccoyred. They are currently in the process of starting alumni chapters for those that are already in the brotherhood and want to continue the experience after graduation. It's the matter of initiating those who have not had the chance to pledge/join as an undergrad via an alumni chapter that is being discussed currently. And even if they don't, I appreciate the time they took to consider it, plus chances are that they will probably give those in my predicament some alternative means to join and not leave us "in the cold." Some alternatives have already been discussed and contemplated.

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MCCOYRED

Dynamic
Salient
Temperate

Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

[PositivelyAKA]

Rainman you have a right to your opinion and i will give you that plus i will extend the benefit of the doubt to you that you are not "just another hater" although you come across very arrogant and judgemental towards BGLO's that don't do it "your way" as if you know what's best for BGLO's, simply, i wonder why you are spending soooo much time worrying about what BGLO's are doing and how they are doing it, when you have your own organization, do you not? my pledge was to build up AKA not sit around trying to get dst/zeta/sgrho to change their agendas as if it was any of my business or concern each organization has a right to do as they choose in how they carry on their business/structure, none of us, especially NONE members should/has the right to tell another BGLO what they should/change/be opened minded too. its not YOUR place. i don't see ANYBODY on here trying to tell you about yourself for choosing and adhering to the fraternity you joined. there may be members of BGLO's who may not agree with your frat's policies/agenda/structure etc. but i dare not tell a dst/zeta/sgrho what her oganization should do, that ain't my business and i don't care. as for other greek groups starting up, let them do their thang, if they chose not to pursue other established organizations for various reasons or were simply rejects of one of the Divine Nine then that is not my concern either. The Elite Eight/Divine Nine ARE and HAVE been very significant whether those three words come out of your mouth or not, as many of OUR members have paved the way for your "behind" to be able to talk as confidently as you do today. we the Divine Nine are not worried about other new groups coming up, that is great! that is wonderful for it is good to see people bonding and helping their community in whatever name. we (BGLO's) may not always agree but those of us who understand brotherhood/sisterhood know that the bottom line is that our organizations are priceless to us and our communities so please don't compare us to glo's, your frat or any others because there is NO comparison we are all different. and before you come back with another "I AM" post about how we "ain't" deep enough for you, go post on your frat board, start a thread for your peeps, kick it with your "bruhs", do some community service and remember if you can why you joined your frat and work on continuing your founders vision, and stop worrying so much what the "Jones" are doing we've been doing just fine without your insight for over 90 years, believe me we will be just fine. take care.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by PositivelyAKA:
Rainman you have a right to your opinion and i will give you that plus i will extend the benefit of the doubt to you that you are not "just another hater" although you come across very arrogant and judgemental towards BGLO's that don't do it "your way" as if you know what's best for BGLO's, simply, i wonder why you are spending soooo much time worrying about what BGLO's are doing and how they are doing it, when you have your own organization, do you not? my pledge was to build up AKA not sit around trying to get dst/zeta/sgrho to change their agendas as if it was any of my business or concern each organization has a right to do as they choose in how they carry on their business/structure, none of us, especially NONE members should/has the right to tell another BGLO what they should/change/be opened minded too. its not YOUR place. i don't see ANYBODY on here trying to tell you about yourself for choosing and adhering to the fraternity you joined. there may be members of BGLO's who may not agree with your frat's policies/agenda/structure etc. but i dare not tell a dst/zeta/sgrho what her oganization should do, that ain't my business and i don't care. as for other greek groups starting up, let them do their thang, if they chose not to pursue other established organizations for various reasons or were simply rejects of one of the Divine Nine then that is not my concern either. The Elite Eight/Divine Nine ARE and HAVE been very significant whether those three words come out of your mouth or not, as many of OUR members have paved the way for your "behind" to be able to talk as confidently as you do today. we the Divine Nine are not worried about other new groups coming up, that is great! that is wonderful for it is good to see people bonding and helping their community in whatever name. we (BGLO's) may not always agree but those of us who understand brotherhood/sisterhood know that the bottom line is that our organizations are priceless to us and our communities so please don't compare us to glo's, your frat or any others because there is NO comparison we are all different. and before you come back with another "I AM" post about how we "ain't" deep enough for you, go post on your frat board, start a thread for your peeps, kick it with your "bruhs", do some community service and remember if you can why you joined your frat and work on continuing your founders vision, and stop worrying so much what the "Jones" are doing we've been doing just fine without your insight for over 90 years, believe me we will be just fine. take care.

Touche, Positively, touche.

Very good point(s). I will remember that always.

I will try to take the high road in regard to future posts & discussions about BGLO life.

Thank you for your input, really.

Have a good one

Rain Man

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by PositivelyAKA:
Rainman you have a right to your opinion and i will give you that plus i will extend the benefit of the doubt to you that you are not "just another hater" although you come across very arrogant and judgemental towards BGLO's that don't do it "your way" as if you know what's best for BGLO's, simply, i wonder why you are spending soooo much time worrying about what BGLO's are doing and how they are doing it, when you have your own organization, do you not? my pledge was to build up AKA not sit around trying to get dst/zeta/sgrho to change their agendas as if it was any of my business or concern each organization has a right to do as they choose in how they carry on their business/structure, none of us, especially NONE members should/has the right to tell another BGLO what they should/change/be opened minded too. its not YOUR place. i don't see ANYBODY on here trying to tell you about yourself for choosing and adhering to the fraternity you joined. there may be members of BGLO's who may not agree with your frat's policies/agenda/structure etc. but i dare not tell a dst/zeta/sgrho what her oganization should do, that ain't my business and i don't care. as for other greek groups starting up, let them do their thang, if they chose not to pursue other established organizations for various reasons or were simply rejects of one of the Divine Nine then that is not my concern either. The Elite Eight/Divine Nine ARE and HAVE been very significant whether those three words come out of your mouth or not, as many of OUR members have paved the way for your "behind" to be able to talk as confidently as you do today. we the Divine Nine are not worried about other new groups coming up, that is great! that is wonderful for it is good to see people bonding and helping their community in whatever name. we (BGLO's) may not always agree but those of us who understand brotherhood/sisterhood know that the bottom line is that our organizations are priceless to us and our communities so please don't compare us to glo's, your frat or any others because there is NO comparison we are all different. and before you come back with another "I AM" post about how we "ain't" deep enough for you, go post on your frat board, start a thread for your peeps, kick it with your "bruhs", do some community service and remember if you can why you joined your frat and work on continuing your founders vision, and stop worrying so much what the "Jones" are doing we've been doing just fine without your insight for over 90 years, believe me we will be just fine. take care.

Touche, Positively, touche.

Very good point(s). I will remember that always.

I will try to take the high road in regard to future posts & discussions about BGLO life.

Thank you for your input, really.

Have a good one

Rain Man

[Ghostface-Killah]

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!
See what you started NUPE? HEHEH!!Just playing
Glad to see people talking about interesting topic. It is kind of funny how I agree with a little of what everyone is saying-It is too hot to add to it. Fellow bros and sis have said enough TO EACH HIS/HER OWN!!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Maria (The Dominican SGRho with the sexy accent) Make 'em say uuuuuuhhhhhh
SIGMA GAMMA RHO Sorority, Inc.
What else did you expect? Ju don know?

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Rain Man:
I will reply by paragraph.

Paragraph 1: OK, if you say so.
Paragraph 2: That is strictly a matter of opinion, period. BTW, I will not nor will I ever refer to NPHC orgs as the Elite 8 or Divine Nine. You can if you want to, but I won't
Paragraph 3: Y'know, when I see NPHC orgs hating on Black non-NPHC orgs via the website guestbooks, I wonder the same thing. So if you find out before I do, lemme know, ok? Thanks

Paragraphs 4-8: *in the same calm neutral tone as before* OK, if you say so.

Thank you AKA2D for you input.

Next!!!!

Rain Man

Is December 25th YOUR birthday?
Were you BORN in a manger in BETHLEHEM?
Was your mother a virgin? And were you CONCEIVED by the HOLY SPIRIT?
Were your EARTHLY parents named Mary and Joseph?
Do many CHRISTIANS around the world CELEBRATE, PRAISE, WORSHIP you?

HECK NO!


NEXT!!!!!!!!

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
Is December 25th YOUR birthday?
Were you BORN in a manger in BETHLEHEM?
Was your mother a virgin? And were you CONCEIVED by the HOLY SPIRIT?
Were your EARTHLY parents named Mary and Joseph?
Do many CHRISTIANS around the world CELEBRATE, PRAISE, WORSHIP you?

HECK NO!


NEXT!!!!!!!!

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkay!

*Rain Man stands puzzled at the charger podium for several seconds before the "time's up" buzzer buzzes twice. Host shouts, "Same level 4". Rain Man shouts, "Level 4, $30!" Trilon reveals next item.....*

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by mccoyred:
Well RainMan, I am sorry to say that this org will probably NOT institute alumnae chapters, regardless of your late night brainstorming session. Usually this type of structural change is done early in the organizational process. Since they have been around at least since 1941, they probably don't have a need for alumnae chapters.

Not necessairily true, Mccoyred. They are currently in the process of starting alumni chapters for those that are already in the brotherhood and want to continue the experience after graduation. It's the matter of initiating those who have not had the chance to pledge/join as an undergrad via an alumni chapter that is being discussed currently. And even if they don't, I appreciate the time they took to consider it, plus chances are that they will probably give those in my predicament some alternative means to join and not leave us "in the cold." Some alternatives have already been discussed and contemplated.

[stalder]

I was just curious about one aspect of these different "auxiliary" groups. Don't you run into problems of people getting angry, because they feel like they're being treated as 'lesser' members of the overall whole? The auxiliary members may have thought it was a great idea originally, but then they might become "disillusioned" later on.

I could forsee lots of potential for people to disrespect others on that basis. You have to admit, to some degree, you're creating a 2 (or 3) tier "society" if you will. There are "levels of membership" that are at least perceived as "higher" than others, wouldn't you agree?

I wholeheartedly agree that membership standards need to be in place and maintained vigorously. I certainly have no problem with that.

It just seems to me that creating different "classes" of membership in the overall whole could lead to some big ego problems. It's bad enough in many cases with actives versus pledges. It just seems to me this sort of scheme could create similar feelings. Am I just wrong on that one?

Regards,
Rob

[SoloRHO]

I think there may still be a little confusion... None of our affiliate groups (older, younger, HS age) are considered ANY kind of MEMBER of our orgs. They are members of their own org: "Sigma Gamma Rho Philos" or "Zeta Phi Beta Amicae" (Sorry sisterfriends... is this their proper name?) There should never be any disillusionment. They come in knowing that they may be connected to "Sigma", but they themselves are not SIGMA. Only a woman of Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority Inc. will be called a SOROR and extended all rights and privileges that this name entitles us to. Same goes for all orgs. I hope I don't sound like a broken record... but I think there's still a little confusion as to the position of auxiliaries within our orgs.

[dstbrat]

oh my goodness! what in the world is going on in here? as a read through the thread i noticed that a couple of issues are being mixed up. first, affiliate membership and honorary membership are 2 different animals. one of the sisterfriends correctly stated that they persons in this group are not members of the sorority. in Delta Sigma Theta, honorary members are indeed members of the sorority. these requirements are known to the membership of Delta Sigma Theta and that is enough for the general public's information.

we all should understand that in our inceptions we were all elitist to a point. how many young black people could afford not to work to support their families and go to college? so, the number of black people matriculating was small. and in organizations that pride themselves in being selective, it should come as no surprise that there will be some who are left out. that is a part if the game, if you choose to play. if you want gauranteed membership, join a church, the NAACP, a social and savings club, or any of a host of public service or social organizations.
as i previously stated, Delta Sigma Theta was founded as a sisterhood for college educated black women and we are still shaped to that purpose. for those women that do not or cannot seek a degree from a 4-yr institution, they do not meet the requirements for membership into Delta Sigma Theta. it is that simple.