Israel at War?

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

RUDEY I know that both You and RA COOPER are true on in this Situation to just call it that, But,Hezbollah, seems to have the same mentality and power to do what thay want no matter what.

But one must remember the mentality of these type of people!

They do not care much as Hammas do.

But, give credit due if it is true that other Arab Countrys are trying to get this calmed down.

This is going effect all of us no matter what, and now to see what Syria and Iran are going to do?

Tom I agree. I think it's the same in Iraq. The Arabs have been brainwashed for generations now and it's impossible to just fix things with a gunshot or missile every once in a while. If we had nuked Iraq instead of just invading and let Israel woop some ass, then they'd understand.

The only problem with bombing Lebanon is that it's filled with some smoking hot girls. Smoking TOM!

-Rudey

[RACooper]

I'm still wondering how Canada is going to get the 40000+ citizens out of Lebanon (Israeli evacuation really isn't an issue)... including some 11000 in the south were communication is extremely difficult, and movement more so...

From the emails I've gotten from friends working on digs in the south things are really bad - landline phones are almost all down, cellphones and radios are being heavily jammed, no fuel to be had as the stations have all been bombed or shelled, in fact their only real method of communication is via a satelite hookup to their laptops... but that'll last only as long as the generator. Their immediate concern beyond their saftey is the food and water situation - which is really tight after having their host's house was destroyed... so far the locals have been generous with some food and water, as well as a gift of some batteries and supplies from a Hezbollah group passing through.

As for the other group of students on the other side of the border, things have gone alot better - the Israeli military was very efficient in getting them out of the immediate area (well to set up a arti-bat) and last I heard the spent the night outside of Hiafa at the Carmelite convet before heading further south to get out of the country.

[RU OX Alum]

didn't Lebanon just kick out Syrian overlords and try for a normal country. It really is sad when the majority of a country would rather fight to end another country than work to set up their own.

[adpiucf]

Iran's President Ahmadinejad calls President Bush

Ahmadinejad calls Bush and tells him: "President Bush, I called because I had a dream."

"What was the dream about, Ahmadinejad?"

Ahmadinejad: "I dreamt that USA was rebuilt and on the top of each house there was a flag."

Bush: "And what was written on the flag?"

Ahmadinejad: "Allah is big, Allah is great!!!"

Bush: "You know what Ahmadinejad, it's good that you called because I had a dream too. In my dream Teheran was rebuilt and on the top of each building there was a flag too."

Ahmadinejad: "What was written on the flags?"

Bush: "I don't know, I can't read Hebrew!!!!"

[DeltAlum]

A good friend and colleague who does freelance satellite transmission engineering left for Tel Aviv today to work for FOX. It is likely that he will end up in Haifa as well.

They wanted him to go to Beruit. He declined.

He's at least a little smarter than I though.

[AnchorAlum]

Originally Posted by Rudey

There is no room for discussion about this.

Iran and Syria arm terror groups that kill people all over the world. Two of those terrorist groups are Hamas and Hezbollah. Those two groups kidnapped Israelis. Those two groups are responsible for everything thereafter. If the populations support them, then they should be willing to accept what happens to them also.

Outside of Syria and Iran, a lot of Arab countries have criticized the two terrorist groups.

I hope the Israelis just drop a few bombs over the Syrian president's house and in Qom in Iran without France and Russia being pussies.

-Rudey

I'm on Rudey's team for this one, kids. Israel MUST take out Hezbollah, not just for their sake, but for ours as well.
They're a tool for Iran and Syria, and the reason their cannot be a next time for this kind of flare up is that in three or four years they will have weaponry that will not just hit a few buildings in Haifa, it will cause the crater that USED to be Haifa to glow in the dark.
And then it will be Katie bar the freaking door.

[texas*princess]

So all of this stuff is really scary. I hope all of the Canadians, Americans, other foreign people to those countries, find a quick safe way to get out of there because they're just blowing each other up it seems

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

So all of this stuff is really scary. I hope all of the Canadians, Americans, other foreign people to those countries, find a quick safe way to get out of there because they're just blowing each other up it seems

Ummm most of them aren't "Foreign" to those countries and are Arabs that also have citizenship in another country.

-Rudey

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

I'm on Rudey's team for this one, kids. Israel MUST take out Hezbollah, not just for their sake, but for ours as well.
They're a tool for Iran and Syria, and the reason their cannot be a next time for this kind of flare up is that in three or four years they will have weaponry that will not just hit a few buildings in Haifa, it will cause the crater that USED to be Haifa to glow in the dark.
And then it will be Katie bar the freaking door.

While I am afraid You are right on this, the two major Countrys who are backing them will forever be a thorn in the side of the whole Middle East!

Unless the Arab Nations put a leash on them, there will always be problems. and one would think that they should not screw with Israel as they have tried and got thier asses kicked!

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

While I am afraid You are right on this, the two major Countrys who are backing them will forever be a thorn in the side of the whole Middle East!

Unless the Arab Nations put a leash on them, there will always be problems. and one would think that they should not screw with Israel as they have tried and got thier asses kicked!

They are a thorn in our side too. Iran and Syria arm terrorists and send their murderers into Iraq to kill US troops. Also Hezbollah murdered several hundred US Marines in the 1980s.

When this is done, Israel will have finally done what the European and UN pussies never had the balls to do. And while the Israelis are doing that, we Americans are busy beating the European pussies in the Tour De France.

-Rudey

[RU OX Alum]

I heard that most arabs are seeing this as shi'ia trying to take control of sunnis' lifestyle and that they viewed it more as sunni vs. Shia than an Arab vs. Rest of World type thing. I hope so, because I couldn't really imagine being just an average Lebanonese or Syrian citizen just sitting back like "wow, my gov.t is a puppet."

[Alpha Sig Scott]

I was in Israel last month on a State of Illinois Homeland Security Trade Mission for my company. As a security professional I'll throw in my two cents.

The mission met with high level government officials and business executives. We toured several universities engaged in "security" related research such as The Technion (Israels version of MIT) and Tev Aviv University. We had the opportunity to see behind the scenes security infrastructure at such places as Ben Gurion international airport in Tel Aviv, the worlds "most safest airport". We had a briefing by the airport director who candidly told us that our airport security was a failure. He mentioned many examples but the most telling was profiling. Here of course it's a PC thing and it can't be done. He said it may be the ruin of us because we don't profile. I tend to agree. What does everyone else think?

If there is a safer and more secure country I don't know where it is. It certainly did not feel like a police state, but the security presence was palatable. You had to open all bags at the entrance to every building, public or private for inspection. I noticed in resturaunts people would look under the tables as they sat down. A member of the mission who is Israeli but now lives in Chicago told me they were looking for anything out of the ordinary, like a package or bag that may be an explosive. Oddly enough, I saw virtually no police while in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv or Haifa. When I did see a police car, they always had their light bar flashing, whether there was an emergency or not. I was told that this is standard practice.

When you consider that military service is compulsatory, you basically have a country that is one giant army. If you put a rifle in an old womens hands she would know how to use it. I saw 18 year old girls laying out at the beach with their M16s stuck in the sand next to them. They can't go anywhere with out their rifle. These beautiful 18 year old girls with automatic weapons at the beach...only in Israel

I think Israel can handle just about anything short of every single arab nation attacking at once. Things are bad right now. Let's hope they don't get worse.

[DeltAlum]

Here's a theory. No basis in known fact on my part.

Maybe the real reason the US isn't demanding a cease fire is that we will support Israel (as our surrogate) in striking Iran (and maybe Syria) under the theme that they are supplying Hezbollah.

We give Israel lots of equipment, and they do our dirty work.

I'm not sure that would be wise, but...

As I said, just a theory.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Here's a theory. No basis in known fact on my part.

Maybe the real reason the US isn't demanding a cease fire is that we will support Israel (as our surrogate) in striking Iran (and maybe Syria) under the theme that they are supplying Hezbollah.

We give Israel lots of equipment, and they do our dirty work.

I'm not sure that would be wise, but...

As I said, just a theory.

Probably. I don't really know who to trust if anyone anymore. I used to not beleive in things like Puppet Govts and Conspirary Theories but as I grow older things look shaider and shadier.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Here's a theory. No basis in known fact on my part.

Maybe the real reason the US isn't demanding a cease fire is that we will support Israel (as our surrogate) in striking Iran (and maybe Syria) under the theme that they are supplying Hezbollah.

We give Israel lots of equipment, and they do our dirty work.

I'm not sure that would be wise, but...

As I said, just a theory.

Well...

the countries that have said they want a cease fire, haven't done anything to back that up.

For example, none have dedicated peace keeping troops but keep discussing it. Germany said they'd get involved only if Hezbollah invites them in and a bunch of other conditions are met - essentially if those conditions are met there wouldn't be a need for any troops since there wouldn't be a war. The same goes for France and America since they don't want to dedicate troops there. Britain has said it's stretched out as well.

At the same time, the majority of the Arab world is Sunni and against the Iranians and Hezbollah so they want to see Hezbollah weakened. That's why they've condemned Hezbollah and really just played PR games with their own people and the news, but nothing more.

Really it's Russia, Syria, Iran, and Lebanon here against everyone else. Russia supplies weapons to Syria and Iran and those two then supply weapons and money to terrorists in Lebanon.

So what is the point of a ceasefire? Israel has blocked Lebanon off so it's harder to send in weapons, has been attacked by several thousand rockets, destroyed another several thousand rockets, and is letting the world know that status quo is unacceptable. Why would anyone want the cease fire? They have come to accept that same conclusion.

-Rudey