Stage set for possible showdown on gay marriage

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

This is the kind of review that should be on the news. Are these people going to be there all week? I want to go watch a protest.

They will proabably just be there today. The weird women in favor of slot machines are due back to their picketing places any day now.

I stopped counting the number of little kids asking "What's that?" to the big red "Jesus is our Lord" balloon floating around.

It would be slightly entertaining, except this (and the Big Dig accident) are making Boston look like a Monty Python sketch right now.

[mu_agd]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

They will proabably just be there today. The weird women in favor of slot machines are due back to their picketing places any day now.

I stopped counting the number of little kids asking "What's that?" to the big red "Jesus is our Lord" balloon floating around.

It would be slightly entertaining, except this (and the Big Dig accident) are making Boston look like a Monty Python sketch right now.

Is my buddy that likes to hang out at Park Street and Hynes/ICA wearing posterboards about how Jesus is our Lord and Savier out there today? Seriously, I may have to swing by today.

Oh and the Big Dig stuff is quite interesting to keep updated on with all the negligent homicide charges being thrown around.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by mu_agd

Is my buddy that likes to hang out at Park Street and Hynes/ICA wearing posterboards about how Jesus is our Lord and Savier out there today? Seriously, I may have to swing by today.

Oh and the Big Dig stuff is quite interesting to keep updated on with all the negligent homicide charges being thrown around.

He is not there; neither is the guy in the hockey jersey shouting scripture, or Spare Change Guy (my personal favorite).

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Haha, see, I'm not quite such a nasty conservative (and I'm only conservative on certain issues).

I wouldn't ever (well, ever is pretty all inclusive -- maybe almost never would be better) use the word "nasty" with conservative. I'm conversative on certain issues, too. I just try very hard not to go too far to either side -- both of which drive me to distraction sometimes.

As I've said many times, the older I get, the less I'm absolutely sure of.

What I really agree with you (I think -- don't want to put words in your mouth) on is that this debate has become much more emotional/religious than really legal -- understanding, of course, that there's also a big difference between legal and political.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

What I really agree with you (I think -- don't want to put words in your mouth) on is that this debate has become much more emotional/religious than really legal -- understanding, of course, that there's also a big difference between legal and political.

Definitely - personally I'm not against same-sex marriage, so that may be clouding my judgement. However, at some point it always comes down to a religious/moral argument, and that doesn't sit well with me when making legal decisions.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Definitely - personally I'm not against same-sex marriage, so that may be clouding my judgement. However, at some point it always comes down to a religious/moral argument, and that doesn't sit well with me when making legal decisions.

Exactly, and this is why I'm so bothered when people advocate in favor of laws prohibiting gay marriage. I don't buy the "it should be left to the states" argument mentioned earlier in this thread, because there is no non-religion-based basis for any state to enact a law prohibiting gay marriage.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

Exactly, and this is why I'm so bothered when people advocate in favor of laws prohibiting gay marriage. I don't buy the "it should be left to the states" argument mentioned earlier in this thread, because there is no non-religion-based basis for any state to enact a law prohibiting gay marriage.

That's true. Also, Mississippi dragged us into the civil war under the banner of state's rights when really they just wanted to keep slaves. Then Lincoln et al came down to supress state right's under the banner of freeing the slaves. Hypocrites and Horsesh*t on both sides of that conflict.

[shinerbock]

Lets not bring the War into this. However, you're still mistaken regarding your non religious based reasoning. Not only is it counterproductive, it also is very troubling to corporations who have to provide benefits. I recently spoke to one of my fathers business associates, who works for a large international corporation here in Atlanta. He said that gay marriage is a big concern for them, as partners do not tend to be long term, and that the health insurance costs are higher. I'm sure the majority of people in Mass. want gay marriage, and they should have it. But the huge majority of people in Georgia don't, and I think they should make the call about what is seen in their community.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

it also is very troubling to corporations who have to provide benefits.

So, that makes the debate religious and business/financial, I guess. Still the wrong reasons in my opinion.

I would simply point out that many companies, as well as government entities are now offering benefits to employees' life partners and my guess is that the trend will continue in order to keep valued employees.

[greekalum]

A huge majority of the gay marriages tend to be less longterm than straight marriages? Or gay relationships tend to last less than straight relationships? Because "partners do not tend to be long term" is not a statement of fact. There are no statistics to show that gay marriages would have divorce rates equal, less than, or greater to straight marriages yet.

As for health care costs, many companies already offer health benefits to domestic partners, so gay marriage wouldn't increase those costs at all.

[Drolefille]

Gays are a small percentage of the population, their marriage benefits are not going to bankrupt, or even hurt anyone.

I think the only reason some perceive gay relationships to be shorter term is because there isn't a long term binding option. How many people have been through a rough patch in their marriage where if they'd just been dating, they would have broken up?

[shinerbock]

I'm just telling you the concerns of people in the corporate world. I personally see no benefit or reason to allow gay marriage, especially beyond something like civil unions.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm just telling you the concerns of people in the corporate world. I personally see no benefit or reason to allow gay marriage, especially beyond something like civil unions.

That's fine, but the fact that you don't see a benefit or reason to allow it doesn't mean it should be prohibited.

[shinerbock]

Well it depends on how you look at it. Prior to a few years ago the definition of marriage was between members of the opposite sex. Why then should we allow gay marriage?

[greekalum]

Prior to a few more years ago only white, male, landowners had the right to vote. Why then should we have allowed anyone else to do so?