United 93

[PiKA2001]

Originally posted by macallan25
While I wouldn't say that someone hates the US......I sort of agree that the word "entertainment" doesn't come to mind when considering seeing this movie. I see movies like Anchorman and Oceans 12 to be entertained. Personally, if someone went and saw it and told me, "yeah it was good, very entertaining..." I'd probobly give them a pretty odd look.

Look at the Passion of the Christ, not exactly an "entertaining" film but everybody saw it.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by HBADPi
Are you kidding me? Is this not a Hollywood production? Last time I checked I'm pretty sure Hollywood was the ENTERTAINMENT capital not the history lesson capital of the world. As I recall, no one survived that crash so we dont know first hand what happened. What they are showing in this movie is purely assumptions and circumstantial facts so please dont undermine anyone's intelligence by saying its a history lesson. Its entertainment which has been based on actual facts that have been recreated for entertainment purposes and to make a buck, why else do you think they've only donated 10% of the first weekend's earnings?? They didnt even have the decency to donate at least 10% of all earnings!

Furthermore it really ticks me off that just because someone can actually see the difference between history lesson and entertainment, they immediately have no heart or hate the US. What type of logic is that??? I'm willing to put money down that no real history teacher/professor will ever use this movie in their classroom.

WOAH. You can put money down as to if real history teachers or professors might use this. You're not the end all/be all opinion of this.

Do you consider Shindler's List entertainment? If so that's disgusting. But guess what? We watched it as a history lesson in high school and I've heard of other teachers showing it as a history lesson. American History X? Ok while some sick people would take that as entertainment, most sane people wouldn't. And guess what? OMG one of my college professors showed this movie in class!

I stand with my opinion that anyone who thinks this movie is for entertainment has no heart and if that includes Hollywood then so be it.

ETA: PiKA I just saw your post. I think anyone who considers Passion of the Christ as entertaining is pretty sick too. Just because it's made in Hollywood doesn't mean that the public thinks it's entertaining. Hollywood may create it to make money, but I wouldn't call movies like this entertaining.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by HBADPi
Are you kidding me? Is this not a Hollywood production? Last time I checked I'm pretty sure Hollywood was the ENTERTAINMENT capital not the history lesson capital of the world. As I recall, no one survived that crash so we dont know first hand what happened. What they are showing in this movie is purely assumptions and circumstantial facts so please dont undermine anyone's intelligence by saying its a history lesson. Its entertainment which has been based on actual facts that have been recreated for entertainment purposes and to make a buck, why else do you think they've only donated 10% of the first weekend's earnings?? They didnt even have the decency to donate at least 10% of all earnings!

Furthermore it really ticks me off that just because someone can actually see the difference between history lesson and entertainment, they immediately have no heart or hate the US. What type of logic is that??? I'm willing to put money down that no real history teacher/professor will ever use this movie in their classroom.

You just say that because you come from a terrorist country.

-Rudey
--Before any ass goes and complains about me just for the heck of it, I lived in that same country.

[SDTSarah]

I'm still undecided about whether or not I want to see it, but wasn't Pearl Harbor rereleased or re-hyped up after 9/11? I consider that pretty offensive, actually.

"I guess what I'm trying to say is that Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you..."

[macallan25]

I agree with what you say. Just wondering though, wasn't Passion of the Christ completely funded/produced/released by Mel Gibson? I thought I remember it causing so much of a problem that no production companies in Hollywood would take it on??

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
WOAH. You can put money down as to if real history teachers or professors might use this. You're not the end all/be all opinion of this.

Do you consider Shindler's List entertainment? If so that's disgusting. But guess what? We watched it as a history lesson in high school and I've heard of other teachers showing it as a history lesson. American History X? Ok while some sick people would take that as entertainment, most sane people wouldn't. And guess what? OMG one of my college professors showed this movie in class!

I stand with my opinion that anyone who thinks this movie is for entertainment has no heart and if that includes Hollywood then so be it.

ETA: PiKA I just saw your post. I think anyone who considers Passion of the Christ as entertaining is pretty sick too. Just because it's made in Hollywood doesn't mean that the public thinks it's entertaining. Hollywood may create it to make money, but I wouldn't call movies like this entertaining.

[PiKA2001]

Originally posted by macallan25
I agree with what you say. Just wondering though, wasn't Passion of the Christ completely funded/produced/released by Mel Gibson? I thought I remember it causing so much of a problem that no production companies in Hollywood would take it on??

He funded a little under half of the budget himself. I believe the reason why he had difficulties funding the movie was because he wanted full control of pretty much everything production wise. Potential investors wanted a less violent/bloody version, which didn't happen.

[amycat412]

the movie is not entertainment.

It is a history lesson, a lesson to bring us back to feeling love and patriotic. A movie to show the bravery of the passengers on flight 93 and to celebrate their lives.

I will pray for them the rest of my life due to this flick.

[FirstAndFinest]

Originally posted by blueangel
The most disturbing part of what he said was how he described the reaction of the families to the movie. He said that the film doesn't end with a crash or a big bang, it just goes black and silent. At that moment, he described a very loud crying and even wailing and screaming from the families.. something he has never heard in a movie theater before.

Just reading this made me tear up imagining those cries. (I also drove into the city twice yesterday which always affect me... Yeah, PSTD, but who here doesn't to some degree from 9/11)

Rudey - Personal attacks about a person's heritage are not cool. Stating that you lived there too does not make it an acceptable comment, either.

[ASUADPi]

Originally posted by HBADPi

Furthermore it really ticks me off that just because someone can actually see the difference between history lesson and entertainment, they immediately have no heart or hate the US. What type of logic is that??? I'm willing to put money down that no real history teacher/professor will ever use this movie in their classroom.

I can almost guarentee, since I have every intention of teaching high school history, that given the oppurtunity I will show United 93 to my class. But it would be dependent on my academic standards for the school year and whatnot. History teachers use movies all the time. Hell, one of the long term projects I would have my students do is pick a movie based on a historical "activity" (like Pearl Harbor, Black Hawk Down, just to name a few), they would then have to do research, then write a paper either supporting the movie as "factly" based or not support it. Pretty much history vrs. hollywood.

Teachers are ALWAYS using movies. We take ADVANTAGE of what Hollywood offers us.

[adpiucf]

I don't dispute that teachers use dramatizations of historical events to supplement their classroom teaching. They also use documentaries using genuine footage and interviews. Both films and documentaries are great tools outside of the usual textbooks.

BUT there is a big difference between showing Pearl Harbor/Schindler's List/Roots/The Passion to a group of students in 2006 and showing United 93 to a group of students in 2006. Namely, 9/11 happened five years ago and is still very much in the public consciousness whereas the feelings generated by the other events (while they are important) have had years if not generations to become part of our collective memory without the pain being quite so raw and fresh. The Holocaust, the Civil War, WW2/Pearl Harbor are all very important pieces of our history, and, as with 9/11 we should never forget. But it just feels too soon to be making a film about it. A documentary, yes. But a dramatization of events inspired by a true story... I respectfully decline to get in line to watch this film at this time. This does not make you or me any less faithful or upset about 9/11 as a historical event.

Many of you have expressed interest in seeing United 93. I'm just not ready yet.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by FirstAndFinest
Just reading this made me tear up imagining those cries. (I also drove into the city twice yesterday which always affect me... Yeah, PSTD, but who here doesn't to some degree from 9/11)

Rudey - Personal attacks about a person's heritage are not cool. Stating that you lived there too does not make it an acceptable comment, either.

First and Finest, I am Iranian. By all counts I am more Iranian than HBADPi given that I was born there and lived there for so long. Furthermore HBADPi is my friend. Adding to that, it was a joke that I'm sure she found funny.

But I do thank you for caring. These days the moderators are looking to take everything I say and turn it into an offensive insult that breaks the TOS and is there to draw people into a fight. Of course they can never really show that it's an insult or why someone would get offended or what the fight could even be over.

I appreciate standing up for your sister. I would hope my brothers would do the same for me. Had you not been her sister I probably wouldn't have explained all this to you

-Rudey
--Thanks again

[HBADPi]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
WOAH. You can put money down as to if real history teachers or professors might use this. You're not the end all/be all opinion of this.

Do you consider Shindler's List entertainment? If so that's disgusting. But guess what? We watched it as a history lesson in high school and I've heard of other teachers showing it as a history lesson. American History X? Ok while some sick people would take that as entertainment, most sane people wouldn't. And guess what? OMG one of my college professors showed this movie in class!

Heres the difference between showing SCHINDLER'S list and United 93 in a classroom. There were people who survived the Holocaust and lived to tell the story. What happened on United 93 is totally unknown to all of us so everything shown in this movie is UNQUESTIONABLY objective and unverifiable.

I never said that movies shouldnt be show in the classroom but only if its understood that they are supplements to the course material and not passed as absolute fact. I'm sorry but I cant support showing a movie to children that is based on circumstational evidence...

[ASUADPi]

Originally posted by adpiucf
I don't dispute that teachers use dramatizations of historical events to supplement their classroom teaching. They also use documentaries using genuine footage and interviews. Both films and documentaries are great tools outside of the usual textbooks.

BUT there is a big difference between showing Pearl Harbor/Schindler's List/Roots/The Passion to a group of students in 2006 and showing United 93 to a group of students in 2006. Namely, 9/11 happened five years ago and is still very much in the public consciousness whereas the feelings generated by the other events (while they are important) have had years if not generations to become part of our collective memory without the pain being quite so raw and fresh. The Holocaust, the Civil War, WW2/Pearl Harbor are all very important pieces of our history, and, as with 9/11 we should never forget. But it just feels too soon to be making a film about it. A documentary, yes. But a dramatization of events inspired by a true story... I respectfully decline to get in line to watch this film at this time. This does not make you or me any less faithful or upset about 9/11 as a historical event.

Many of you have expressed interest in seeing United 93. I'm just not ready yet.

Those are really good points.

I think though for me, is that the grades I want to teach and the age of the kiddos is that they barely know anything about 9-11 unless told by parents, teachers, or directly affected. Like our current 8th graders were only in 3rd grade when it happened. I'm pretty sure they had no idea what the hell was going on. They were only kids. I know when I was in 3rd grade I didn't give a hoot about what was going on in the world. I honestly didn't start caring until I was older and more able to understand and comprehend what was being told to me via the news or newspaper.

I personally believe that the events of 9-11 aren't exactly "raw and fresh" to the 8th graders on my campus. Heck, my 16 year old cousin, who remembers it, isn't as emotional about the events as I was being a 27 year old adult.

Again, this is just my opinion. Just purely based on the kids I work with and knowing a bit about them.

Feel free to disagree with me.

[BobbyTheDon]

So does anyone know for a fact that what happened in the movie "United 93" actually happened?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by ASUADPi
Those are really good points.

I think though for me, is that the grades I want to teach and the age of the kiddos is that they barely know anything about 9-11 unless told by parents, teachers, or directly affected. Like our current 8th graders were only in 3rd grade when it happened. I'm pretty sure they had no idea what the hell was going on. They were only kids. I know when I was in 3rd grade I didn't give a hoot about what was going on in the world. I honestly didn't start caring until I was older and more able to understand and comprehend what was being told to me via the news or newspaper.

I personally believe that the events of 9-11 aren't exactly "raw and fresh" to the 8th graders on my campus. Heck, my 16 year old cousin, who remembers it, isn't as emotional about the events as I was being a 27 year old adult.

Again, this is just my opinion. Just purely based on the kids I work with and knowing a bit about them.

Feel free to disagree with me.

Well when you do become a teacher, have students, a curriculum that's planned then let us know how it goes. Until then I guess we have at least a few worry-free years on our hands.

Seriously the movie isn't even out and people that aren't even teachers are wanting to show it to their future students.

-Rudey