President nominates Alito to Supreme Court

[Kevin]

Originally posted by AXiD670
No need to be snarky.

It's a double-standard. Under your proposed policy, since men are physically unable to become pregnant, women are the only ones who would ever have to 'fess up to infidelity. You can't extend rights to one group of citizens and not another. You can't give men the right to find out their wives have been unfaithful and not extend that same right to women.

Would you support a policy policy that requires men who cheat on their pregnant wives to disclose that information to their wives? Not only are these men endangering the health of their wife, but they're also endangering the health of the unborn child.

Men who cheat on their pregnant wives do not need abortions.

I don't see how that would be particularly relevant.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
ktsnake, I think you may be the worst Libertarian I know.




Hmmm, I wonder if this counts as a personal attack.

I don't like to categorize myself.

-- I'm cool like that.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by 33girl
That's the point, I wasn't talking about Oklahoma. Every state is different. Just because it's a breeze there doesn't mean it's like that everywhere.

What does this have to do with Alito?

If you have a problem with your state's system, you should definitely contact your representative. I can tell you that a simple and effective system such as the one in my state is a great thing -- and I work in a predominantly family law practice, so I've had plenty of contact with this system on both sides. Anyhow, as some have said, this has nothing to do with Alito, so feel free to start another thread if it concerns you so greatly

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

Originally posted by ktsnake
I made a public policy argument stating that if his wife is a hoebag and gets preggers outside of the relationship, he is most likely being exposed (or runs a risk of being exposed) to STD's and the like.

I'd like to see "hoebag" make it into a SC decision.

[Tom Earp]

Being a switched over Republican, I too wonder about Alito!

there are certain Rights about Abortion as in Roe Vs Wade.

Now, Everyone still wants to change it.

There are times when it is needed and times when it is not.

Just who is the individual to decide the Point.

Conservitive, Moderate or Liberal. It doesnt make any difference who is Picked, there will be a fight!

Democrates Dont Seem to Hit Their Ass With Both Hands!

[hoosier]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/journals/3500603.pdf

Try again.

I'm glad to see that there is a very slight decline in abortions, altho the data cited is a few years old.

And I assume that the blue states - leaders in abortions - have a lower population and eventually fewer voters because of abortions.

Or are you arguing that population of likely voters is increasing despite abortions?

[irishpipes]

Democrates

Was that a Greek philosopher?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by hoosier
I'm glad to see that there is a very slight decline in abortions, altho the data cited is a few years old.

And I assume that the blue states - leaders in abortions - have a lower population and eventually fewer voters because of abortions.

Or are you arguing that population of likely voters is increasing despite abortions?

The SOUTH, which is "red," has a higher abortion rate than the MIDWEST, which is "blue."

I am just proving you wrong.

<3,
MWODP

[AGDee]

Originally posted by ktsnake

How about this one: husband is completely loving and faithful, wife is a complete hoebag (unbeknownst to him). She screws around on him, putting him at risk for STD's among other things, and gets pregnant. By not being notified, he's being placed in a vulerable position, and at an increased risk of harm.

-- honesty and disclosure are almost always the best options for public policy.

I don't see how telling a husband that his wife got an abortion tells him anything about who the father of the baby was or whether she cheated on him. All it would do is tell him that she was pregnant and chose to end the pregnancy.

In an earlier post, you did say you believe in spousal notification in all matters regarding reproduction. Does that mean spouses get notified when their partner starts birth control, has a vasectomy or buys condoms, spermicide or sponges?

So, a woman goes to clinic to get an abortion and doesn't want her husband to know for some reason. Are they going to run background checks on each of these women to check whether they are married? I see this as an unenforceable law. All she has to do is say she's single and voila, she has gotten around it.

Honesty and disclosure are good policy in a marriage, but you can't legislate communication in a relationship.

The reason that this becomes the issue that determines whether a number of people support a particular Supreme Court judge is because it's the most controversial and emotional issue that this country has faced in the last few decades. There have been other crises and issues but they all went away eventually. This one hasn't. It's a highly charged issue and frankly, some women are scared to death that their rights will be taken away and they will be forced to get dangerous, illegal abortions that can threaten their lives if they decide they don't want to be a parent. That makes it a big deal to many women of child bearing age.

Dee

[Kevin]

AGDee, others, please feel free to start another thread on this. This is about Alito, and I think there is more to discuss on him than abortion.

I'll be happy to discuss his judicial philosophy regarding this, but not the issue itself in this thread.

-- call me John Kerry.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by AGDee
The reason that this becomes the issue that determines whether a number of people support a particular Supreme Court judge is because it's the most controversial and emotional issue that this country has faced in the last few decades. There have been other crises and issues but they all went away eventually. This one hasn't. It's a highly charged issue and frankly, some women are scared to death that their rights will be taken away and they will be forced to get dangerous, illegal abortions that can threaten their lives if they decide they don't want to be a parent. That makes it a big deal to many women of child bearing age.

Dee

You just summed up everything I was thinking.

[Kevin]

Just so you know, there's an Alito Abortion Thread so that we can use this one to talk about any other issues that may exist with this nominee.

[hoosier]

Originally posted by AGDee
frankly, some women are scared to death that their rights will be taken away and they will be forced to get dangerous, illegal abortions that can threaten their lives if they decide they don't want to be a parent. That makes it a big deal to many women of child bearing age.

Dee

If I were scared to death, I would:

1 - not do it

2 - use contraception

3 - provide condoms for partners

4 - all of the above

[WCUgirl]

Originally posted by hoosier
If I were scared to death, I would:

1 - not do it

2 - use contraception

3 - provide condoms for partners

4 - all of the above

This post is beyond ridiculous.

Anyways, wrigley, do you have a link to that article you mentioned?

[HelloKitty22]

Originally posted by hoosier
If I were scared to death, I would:

1 - not do it

2 - use contraception

3 - provide condoms for partners

4 - all of the above

297,572,191 people living in US
148,786,095 – 50 % are women
74,393,047 are of childbearing age (50% - just a guesstimation but I think that's about fair)

Assuming all of these women use the most effective form of BC (which they can’t all do because of health issues) and they all use it perfectly (which is pretty much impossible) and the birth control is 99.9% (which is what it says on the package) then each year you can expect 74,393 unintended pregnancies a year.

Unless we are going to stop having sex for pleasure and only ever have sex to procreate we can expect that tens of thousands of women a year will have unintended preganancies. It's just not something that can be controlled, not even with the best birth control. And whether you are scarred teenager or an adult, you should have choices.