the life and times of gay fraternity brothers

[SigmaChiGuy]

I used to pick on some of the mods, and usually quoted stupid things that people said. And, I used huge colorful fonts, and made sure I quoted one of our songs, and made sure I let everyone know which GLO my parents were in.

Now, I present to you, picking on Fratty.

[OhioCentaur]

Well you know what?!.... nah i aint have nothin good to say lol. Thats a great point. That could go either way... so i dont know really. All i know is i dont wanna turn into a pillar of salt! To each his or her own....

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

I like it.

Were you the one with the rainbow colored sig? What was up with that? General anger, or lashing out in one specific direction?

[SigmaChiGuy]

Yeah, that was me. I had the ROYGBIV in my sig. Probably font 60, huge. Nothing in particular, just wanted it on there. I was pretty fed up with peoples signatures who were like 2 pages long, so I decided to make fun of them a bit.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

Gotcha.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by OhioCentaur
Ask a REAL christian what the story of sodom and gamorrah (excuse my spelling if incorrect lol) means to them and THEN ask how they feel about homosexuality. I do agree with your fourth point but it doesnt take a judge to see someone is gay.

No one said you have to be a cheerleader for homosexuality but please don't go there about REAL Christianity.

You all also seem to think that the majority of gay men fit some stereotype. This is why you all believe you can generally look at someone or watch that person and tell. Keep in mind that you are almost constantly surrounded by homosexuals (or people with same-sex tendencies) who look and act just like you do. Better get that judge.

[OhioCentaur]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Better get that judge.

Your right in that i possibly could be surrounded by them and not know it HOWEVER, i feel i can go there about REAL Christianity. I feel that MY faith was founded on Adam and Eve not Adam and Eric or Eve and Elizabeth.

My comment about the judge was in good fun because i'm aware that there are those who dont fit the stereotype, i.e. "downlow brothas" but i also feel that when you pledge with someone... you know. You go thru too much and are around a person too much NOT to know.

I'm sure there are people who can "Fake" being real manly men and people never know that they are the way they are. I wont deny that fact.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by OhioCentaur
Your right in that i possibly could be surrounded by them and not know it HOWEVER, i feel i can go there about REAL Christianity. I feel that MY faith was founded on Adam and Eve not Adam and Eric or Eve and Elizabeth.

My comment about the judge was in good fun because i'm aware that there are those who dont fit the stereotype, i.e. "downlow brothas" but i also feel that when you pledge with someone... you know. You go thru too much and are around a person too much NOT to know.

I'm sure there are people who can "Fake" being real manly men and people never know that they are the way they are. I wont deny that fact.

I don't know what standards you are using to define REAL Christianity. However, to make the distinction of REAL implies that people who disagree with you aren't REAL Christians. I am not a proponent for homosexuality but I get annoyed when people conveniently turn to Christian principles and the Bible when it fits their agenda. If we were talking about the sex life of fraternity brothers and the "fun" associated with being Greek, I doubt people would come in here quoting the notions of sexual cleanliness found in the Bible. It is that selectivity that leads me to question whether REAL Christianity is synonymous with CONVENIENT Christianity.

The people you pledged with might have more skeletons in their closet than you will ever know. I never speak with absolute certainty about anyone. Not my linesisters or my family members. While I know these people, I don't follow them around 24/7 and I don't have access to their thoughts.

Real manly man? What on earth does that have to do with one's sexuality? Does being a heterosexual make you a manly man? Please tell me that your manhood goes deeper than that. I don't know you, but I can guarantee that there are gay men out there who are much more "manly" and masculine than you are. That doesn't mean they are faking anything. It means that who they are as men is distinct from who they are attracted to.

[OhioCentaur]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
I don't know what standards you are using to define REAL Christianity. However, to make the distinction of REAL implies that people who disagree with you aren't REAL Christians. I am not a proponent for homosexuality but I get annoyed when people conveniently turn to Christian principles and the Bible when it fits their agenda. If we were talking about the sex life of fraternity brothers and the "fun" associated with being Greek, I doubt people would come in here quoting the notions of sexual cleanliness found in the Bible. It is that selectivity that leads me to question whether REAL Christianity is synonymous with CONVENIENT Christianity.

The people you pledged with might have more skeletons in their closet than you will ever know. I never speak with absolute certainty about anyone. Not my linesisters or my family members. While I know these people, I don't follow them around 24/7 and I don't have access to their thoughts.

Real manly man? What on earth does that have to do with one's sexuality? Does being a heterosexual make you a manly man? Please tell me that your manhood goes deeper than that. I don't know you, but I can guarantee that there are gay men out there who are much more "manly" and masculine than you are. That doesn't mean they are faking anything. It means that who they are as men is distinct from who they are attracted to.

You bring up the point of chrisitanity being convienient when it fits the agenda well let me clear up the confusion you seem to be experiencing. Christianity doesnt just fit my agenda when it comes to this topic. ALL that is sin is sin. Whether a person chooses to ignore it or not is on them.

I added manly to my statement because i didnt like the way it read the first time because it made it seem like i was saying that gay men arent men and i'm not saying that at all. HOWEVER i will say that manhood does extend further than your sexual preference but how many people truly look that far?? Its easy to be philosophical on a forum and play the role as if you look beyond the fact that someone is gay or not but at the end of the day you are just like the rest. If someone asked you who was more manly Barry Bonds or Clay aiken you would agree that Barry is the more manly. You make a valid point but i doubt even you go that far as to hold up to the statement.

Getting back to the skeletons... your right i dont follow them around 24/7 and there very well may be someone stuff that would shock the hell outta me if i found out. Thats very possible but if they were homosexual and it was something that was serious to them then i would know. Thats just the bond we as brothers share. That may not be the same anywhere else but thats why i hold them in such high esteem because i believe i know them and until something concrete hits me in the face i will continue to believe that.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by OhioCentaur
You bring up the point of chrisitanity being convienient when it fits the agenda well let me clear up the confusion you seem to be experiencing. Christianity doesnt just fit my agenda when it comes to this topic. ALL that is sin is sin. Whether a person chooses to ignore it or not is on them.

I added manly to my statement because i didnt like the way it read the first time because it made it seem like i was saying that gay men arent men and i'm not saying that at all. HOWEVER i will say that manhood does extend further than your sexual preference but how many people truly look that far?? Its easy to be philosophical on a forum and play the role as if you look beyond the fact that someone is gay or not but at the end of the day you are just like the rest. If someone asked you who was more manly Barry Bonds or Clay aiken you would agree that Barry is the more manly. You make a valid point but i doubt even you go that far as to hold up to the statement.

Getting back to the skeletons... your right i dont follow them around 24/7 and there very well may be someone stuff that would shock the hell outta me if i found out. Thats very possible but if they were homosexual and it was something that was serious to them then i would know. Thats just the bond we as brothers share. That may not be the same anywhere else but thats why i hold them in such high esteem because i believe i know them and until something concrete hits me in the face i will continue to believe that.

I'm not confused at all. Right now you are being philosophical and speaking in the literal sense of the Bible. In reality, you probably would not jump on the Christianity tangent if we were talking about the heterosexual sex life of "manly" fraternity brothers.

Sensible people look further than sexual to define manhood. Perhaps most people are not sensible but I am and I can't account for what shortsighted people think and do. Both Barry Bonds and Clay Aiken could be gay for all we know. I see men who I believe are gay based on stereotypical notions of sexuality. However, I always remember that there are plenty more men who resemble none of these stereotypical traits and would be defined as "manly men." I interact with both sides of the gay male spectrum on a regular basis. I would've never known that these "manly gay men" were homosexual unless they had been my colleagues and told me.

I'm sure your brothers wouldn't tell you about their homosexuality, considering your viewpoints on it. They would not want your judgment of them or your assessment of REAL Christianity to cloud the bond that they share with you. Just like I love my linesisters and we have shared a tight bond for 8 years. They also know how I feel about certain things and they know there are issues for which I'm unwavering and stubborn. If they did not divulge certain information to me, I would completely understand why and wouldn't blame them. Organizational ties don't always go as far as we would like to believe they do in a philosophical and utopian sense.

[saetex]

Originally posted by SigmaChiGuy
I used to have the #1 rated sig. on GC. I got tired of it, now I'm starting over. But, I've been starting over for a long time. I'll come up with something, just give me a bit.

Hey champ, how about you elaborate on SAE at UT since you know so much about it.....You know jackshit.

Oh, and if we want to mud sling about each other's fraternities.....Sigma Chi at OU is solely responsible for their campus going dry and for the downgrade in their greek system. Sigma Chi hazed worse than any chapter on campus. Who do you think was responsible for their pledge that killed himself inside their house. .58 BAC ring any bells?????

[saetex]

Originally posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu
Somebody give this guy the UT Greek Man of the Year award.

Actually we both used that in our respective posts....that were between us two. Nice try though sport. Im sorry that I used a common phrase and you don't like it. Perhaps i'll have you screen all of my posts.

[kdonline]

Interesting to hear how an outed gay man at SAE became president of his chapter!

.....read Christopher Zacharda, area director of residential education at USC, describing how his relationship with a fraternity mentor at the Bucknell chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon began.

Zacharda illustrated how he had gone from a closet-case at SAE to a gay man who was outed to a select few of his brothers and eventually, fraternity president, in his story titled "Hideaway."

From:
Former greeks discuss gay life...

[SigmaChiGuy]

Hey tough guy, we don't have a chapter at Oglethorpe University. And if we did, and they pulled shit like that, I wouldn't condone it because they were a SX chapter - chapters like that don't deserve to be active. Neither does chapters like yours, the ones that haze.

Know you're roll and shut your suck-hole. What do you want me to tell you about your fraternity?

Originally posted by saetex
Hey champ, how about you elaborate on SAE at UT since you know so much about it.....You know jackshit.

Oh, and if we want to mud sling about each other's fraternities.....Sigma Chi at OU is solely responsible for their campus going dry and for the downgrade in their greek system. Sigma Chi hazed worse than any chapter on campus. Who do you think was responsible for their pledge that killed himself inside their house. .58 BAC ring any bells?????

[OhioCentaur]

ok i'm not gonna quote you but u know what u said. Anyway... My linebrothers wouldnt have a problem telling me if they were gay or not because no matter my position on it they know that they have my love and respect regardless. Being flat out honest, yea if i had known BEFORE we pledged that they were then it might have been different for both sides of the situation.
While your quick to say I WOULDNT jump on chrisitianity when it comes to heterosexual exploits your EXTREMELY mistaken. I call it on both sides of the coin. Gay or not sin is sin and i've informed my heterosexual bruhs that banging every female they see just cause is ridiculous and totally unnecessary because they wouldnt want their sister or aunt or cousin or even close friend to be apart of some stuff like that. so dont think i'm hypocritical just because the topic is gay men in fraternities. I call it like i see it no matter the preference.