Bill Bennett on Black Crime Rates

[kafromTN]

People, please understand how things can be taken out of context. Please read this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170880,00.html
maybe then instead of bashing someone you can understand what he was talking about.

Thank you,
Mark

[RACooper]

He's basically trying to backpedal and mitigate the damage...

However the it wasn't his comments on abortion that sparked the outrage - but his linking of criminality to "blacks". He's now claiming that the remarks were in the context of a hypothetical arguement that has been taken out of context by others... but the fact remains he linked crime and "blacks" - not crime and poverty angle as he alluded to on FOX (of course Bennett being a commentator on FOX might mean he gets a easier pass from them).

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
You'll need a PhD in pyschology to figure out how his mind works.

This is a personal attack. Of course it was made by a moderator against someone who doesn't share his beliefs so it's acceptable, the post will remain up, and the thread will not get closed.

-Rudey

[madmax]

Originally posted by RACooper
He's basically trying to backpedal and mitigate the damage...

However the it wasn't his comments on abortion that sparked the outrage - but his linking of criminality to "blacks". He's now claiming that the remarks were in the context of a hypothetical arguement that has been taken out of context by others... but the fact remains he linked crime and "blacks" - not crime and poverty angle as he alluded to on FOX (of course Bennett being a commentator on FOX might mean he gets a easier pass from them).

Bennett had it right. His mistake wasn't the message it was the fact that the messenger is white.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by madmax
Bennett had it right. His mistake wasn't the message it was the fact that the messenger is white.

Let me get this straight... are you saying that you think that the terms "Black" and criminal go hand in hand? 'Cause if you are I gotta say that you have sunk to a new level of stupidity and ignorance

[starang21]

Originally posted by kafromTN
People, please understand how things can be taken out of context. Please read this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170880,00.html
maybe then instead of bashing someone you can understand what he was talking about.

Thank you,
Mark

it's easy to try and explain things AFTER you say something ignorant.

[Exquisite5]

Originally posted by madmax
Bennett had it right. His mistake wasn't the message it was the fact that the messenger is white.

Actually, he didn't. It has long been proven that poverty is the more accurate predicter of future-crime, not race.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Exquisite5
Actually, he didn't. It has long been proven that poverty is the more accurate predicter of future-crime, not race.

Ah but see it's much harder for madmax to visually identify a person socio-economic status... I guess he likes things as simple as possible (less confusing for his simple mind)

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Exquisite5
Actually, he didn't. It has long been proven that poverty is the more accurate predicter of future-crime, not race.

Are blacks better off financially than whites?

-Rudey

[Exquisite5]

Originally posted by Rudey
Are blacks better off financially than whites?
-Rudey

Don't be ridiculous, everyone gets your point, but what is wrong about the point you are making and the point Bennett made is that your prejudice disallows you to see that among a poor AfAm and a poor white its a dead heat regarding who will become a criminal. Therefore, the more accurate hyperbole for Bennet to have made, if he really wasn't speaking from a prejudiced mind, was that we should abort the babies of poor, not the babies of AfAms.

Aborting my brother and I is not going to affect your crime rate.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Exquisite5
Don't be ridiculous, everyone gets your point, but what is wrong about the point you are making and the point Bennett made is that your prejudiced disallows you to see that among a poor AfAm and a poor white its a dead heat regarding who will become a criminal. Therefore, the more accurate hyperbole for Bennet to have made, if he really wasn't speaking from a prejudiced mind, was that we should abort the babies of poor, not the babies of AfAms.

Aborting my brother and I is not going to affect your crime rate.

And I argue it's one and the same, and while neither is politically correct, one is much more loaded.

And if race makes it more offensive, I ask why. Why is it that it is more offensive to abort blacks than poor people? Both are awful acts right?

One word is simply substituted for the other in a written sentence and class is substituted for race - either way you end up with a dead baby.

-Rudey

[Exquisite5]

I can't really answer your question because "offended" is not what I would call my response to his statements. I just thought he was a prejudiced idiot.

I didn't take his words out of context so I knew, that while idiotic, what he was trying to say was that the caller's comments about abortion and social security were equally idiotic.

I think what lead to my disgust with his comments, was the inherent prejudice in his train of thought. I was disgusted that he actually thought that a race cause crime instead of a soccal state. Honestly, given whose cabinet he was in I should not have been surprised, but I was. I was surprised that a politican that polished and experienced would say some mess like that, even if he believed it. Then came my disgust when I realized he didn't even notice his own prejudice in the statement which is why he thought it was appropriate to say.

But something I can comment on in your post is that I don't think its un-p.c. in this country to look down o nthe poor. People do it all the time. Politicans rarely get blasted for lamblasting the welfare Queen. Perhaps, its un-p.c. to look down on the working poor, but the lazy, we American hate them- and we find that entirely p.c.

Also, its not more offensive to abort AfAms than poor people, I think if someone really felt that way it would sad all around.

I disagree with your argument race and class are one in the same, but then I disagree with most things you say.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Exquisite5


I think what lead to my disgust with his comments, was the inherent prejudice in his train of thought. I was disgusted that he actually thought that a race cause crime instead of a soccal state.

Also, its not more offensive to abort AfAms than poor people, I think if someone really felt that way it would sad all around.

I disagree with your argument race and class are one in the same, but then I disagree with most things you say.

I don't understand how you can believe that first comment as well as the second one, that I left in this quote, at the same time.

And I meant to say that if a ven diagram was drawn on a piece of paper there would be a large overlap between poverty and race. And black or poor or both, you'd have a dead baby.

This was a topic that's been explored through economic research and many people found that work to be disgusting as well.

-Rudey

[Exquisite5]

Originally posted by Rudey
I don't understand how you can believe that first comment as well as the second one, that I left in this quote, at the same time.

And I meant to say that if a ven diagram was drawn on a piece of paper there would be a large overlap between poverty and race. And black or poor or both, you'd have a dead baby.

This was a topic that's been explored through economic research and many people found that work to be disgusting as well.

-Rudey

Ven Diagram statement: agreed
Abortion to reduce crime is bad: agreed

However, American Blacks are not the source of U.S. crime. Poverty, more than anything, is the predicter of crime. This is what I think Bennett did not understand. Clearly, I agree that right now American Blacks are poorer, but it is not the race of the poor that predicts their crime it is their status as poor. The two are mutually exclusive- if they weren't rich American Blacks would be just as likely to commit crime as their poorer counterparts and that simply is not true.

I am disgusted that he sees a 1:1 ratio between being an AfAm and future likelihood of crime. That simply is not true, but because he is conditioned to believe that all AfAms are criminals he thinks it is.

[Phasad1913]

Exquisite,

As a fellow future attorney, I understand your desire to thoroughly express your point and have it's obvious logic and validity come across in the hopes that people will see the real issue here, but honey, trust me, just give up.