<<<Or do you want to keep on trying to stir up even more trouble? >>
I have not attacked anyone. However, I will stand up for what is right... and attacking other posters is NOT RIGHT. I'm sorry you feel threatened in some way by this.
<<That seems to happen frequently whenever someone posts valid points, they are ignored and glossed over on the way to arguing something that's more fun. Or the poster who ignores them knows they have no valid arguments against what was posted.>>
I totally agree with you! I have posted many questions which have been ignored over and over again... maybe they hit too close to home by some?
<<You know, i've really tried not to say anything harsh to you, because I know your heart is in the right place, but you keep going on about it.>>
And I will CONTINUE to go on about it as long as people are personally attacked.
<<YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. You don't know everything that has been said or what has been done and tried to resolve this. There have been a number of people, mods and nonmods, who have had issues with this forum for a long time, nothing just happened. >>
I don't HAVE to know what is going on behind closed doors to see that this is being handled the wrong way. I don't HAVE to be behind closed doors to see some of the very people who are entrusted with moderation powers are abusing them by breaking the TOS!
<<MODS ARE NOT PAID, WE ARE VOLUNTEERS.>>
Why did one of your moderators lie to me and tell me she was being paid?
<<MODS ONLY HAVE POWER IN THE FORUMS THEY MOD- ex. I only have "power" in the KD forum and Events forum. In any other forum I am just like any other poster.>>
Fine.. then why don't the moderators uphold the very rules they are entrusted with??? Here's an example.... Robbing a bank is against the law. If you are a sheriff, you will arrest anyone who robs a bank in your county. But, you have now gone to Italy on vacation... is it OK for you, as a sheriff with no police powers in a foreign country to rob a bank in Italy?
<<YOU ARE TAKING QUOTES OUT OF CONTEXT AND TWISTING THEM TO SUIT YOUR NEEDS. Nothing was wrong with what AXOAlum said. She's also out of town right now and not here to defend herself. Though I wish she were because i'm sure she'd have quite a lot to say.>>
She said that being hateful is not against the TOS. How out of context is that? And, yes, I'm interested to hear what she has to say when she returns.
<<THIS FORUM HAS NOT BEEN "RUNNING WELL THE WAY IT IS". There have been issues brought up both publicly and privately that i'm sorry you weren't around for or didn't notice. But don't talk about things which you know nothing about. For instance, a little while ago said moderator made a list of orgs and names of GCers that were willing to help people with AI. Thing is, none of us EVER said we'd help GCers with AI and he did not have our permission to post our names.>>
And that was a wrong thing to do.. but why was that not addressed PRIVATELY??? I'm not hear defending moderators... I'm here saying that is is wrong to air dirty laundry in public. This should have been taken to John PRIVATELY and kept PRIVATE!
<<Another example (of many) is when there was information that was being discussed that members of the org or orgs in question thought was very private and regarding their membership selection. The post was asked to be deleted by many many members and it was not, though said moderator knew what was going on. It was only removed when LXAAlum got online. LXAAlum does a good job and no one has a problem with him, but he isn't around often enough to fully mod the forum.>>
Again, this is a PRIVATE matter.
When a VP does something wrong in a company, the board of directors holds a PRIVATE meeting, and actions are taken. There is not a memo sent to all members of the company down to the secretaries telling everyone that VP Joe Smith should be ousted because he was drunk at work and screwed up an account. It is handled PRIVATELY!
<< Last time I checked, we lived in a country that prided ourselves on freedom of speech. Though this is a private message board, we do follow the first amendment for the most part. Expressing things that may be hateful is a part of our country. It's okay. You don't have to agree with it. No one asked you to agree with anything. But GCers, mods and non mods alike, have a right to express themselves in the way that they see fit.>>
Freedom of speech has its limitations as well. As someone who hopes to be an attorney, I'm sure you are aware of libel and slander. And no, there is no freedom of speech on a message board. We are all guests in John's living room. He makes the rules.
<<* That's nice that you like to sail and have a message board about it. But that has nothing to do with GC. Just because you do things one way there doesn't mean it's right for here and doesn't mean that your way is the only way or "right". Just like your org does things one way while mine may do it another.>>
Actually, there is a valid correlation. As I tried to point out, I am not an expert sailor... I am merely an enthusiast. I depend on my expert members to answer the more intricate questions. If someone asks a question on ZTA AI, are you an expert on that subject? If you believe all mods must be experts, then I submit that we must have a moderator on the AI board representing every single GLO that has AI.
<<And my final thought for the moment, LEAVE RITUAL OUT OF IT. You do NOT know my ritual and you have NO right to speak of my ritual or anyone else's.>>
I will NOT leave it out.. because it is vitally important to the conduct on this board. You cannot bully someone and claim to be living your ritual!
<<I can tell you that your mention of ritual specifically pissed A LOT of people off and was pretty offensive.>>
Perhaps people got upset because it hit a little too close to home? It's not easy when one realizes that their behavior is in exact conflict to what their founders had had in mind when they created their organization.
<< Especially since, as someone else said "you've been a member for about five minutes.">>
Actually, I've been in ZTA as a PNM for more than 20 years... probably a lot longer than you have been a member of KD.
And, I have a lot more years of life experience than you, so we're coming at life from a totally different perspective.
<< It's great that you're enthusiastic about being greek, but you don't necessarily know how things are done and you have NO place whatsoever to tell other greeks how they should and should not live up to their ritual. Worry about your own sisters, that's fine. But it's not your place to tell other GLOs what their values are or aren't.>>
All Greek GLO's are based on brotherhood and sisterhood. Are these personal attacks representative of Greek values?
<<Besides pissing off people by your reference to our rituals, your frequent use of the word "lynching" in comparison to the debates going on is also offensive. What's going on on a freaking message board is nothing to even be compared to the history of lynchings. You do realize you have African-American sisters, don't you?>>
The word "lynching" literally means "unlawfully killing someone by mob action." The words "lynching" and "lynch mob" are frequently used in non-literal terms ie: figuratively to denote someone who is picked on by a group of people. Fits here, doesn't it? No racial slurs were inferred. Would you like me to say, "pubic hanging" in the future?
<<So how about responding to some valid points and actual arguments instead of complaining about the moderators, etc.?>>
I'd be happy to. Now...what exactly are these "valid points and actual arguments" that I haven't addressed?
<<By the way, in case you haven't noticed, there's a hell of a lot more people than just some of us mods that have felt this way about the AI forum and that have expressed it.>>
Actually, that isn't true. Unfortunately, there are many people who are afraid to express their views on the forum because they're worried about becoming the next victim of the bully brigade. But... since I have a "thin spine"
I don't mind posting. (Can someone please explain to me the meaning of "thin spine?"!!!)
<< So whatever the reasons for your personal attacks,>>
My personal attacks? Please show me one.
<<ETA: I just realized that you and I had it out in a thread in the D&R forum a few months ago. Back then you brought up other people's rituals too. Get over it. Other GLO's rituals are NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS and you have NO right to bring them up or try to use them.>>
Yes I did.... and the personal attacks were just as reprehensible then as now. And I will continue to remind those who feel it is OK to launch personal attacks -- that they took an oath to live by the ideals of their GLO.
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