Federal judge says partial-birth abortion ban unconstitutional

[Rudey]

So if it's not a medical necessity and the mother won't die because the child will be born and let's even say that the girl was so traumatized that she decided to wait months and months before getting the abortion, then are you against late abortions?

-Rudey

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Rudey
So if it's not a medical necessity and the mother won't die because the child will be born and let's even say that the girl was so traumatized that she decided to wait months and months before getting the abortion, then are you against late abortions?

-Rudey

If she waits until the 22nd or 24th week (depending on which doctors you ask that's said to be the point at which the fetus/baby is viable outside the womb through medical technology), then I say she needs to go ahead and have it delivered prematurely, give it up for adoption and go on her merry way.

As I said before, at that point, the procedure in which the baby dies and the procedure in which the baby is delivered are exactly the same except for the part where the brains are sucked out.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by DZHBrown
Also regarding rape - if the victim seeks treatment immediately, she can take the emergency contraception.

Assuming she has access to medical care, is over the age of 18 so she can do it without the need for parental consent, and can find a pharmacist willing to supply it...

I don't believe now, nor have I ever, that abortion is a practical solution to the majority of most pregancies. However, I think it needs to remain an option, because there are cases where it is the only one.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Assuming she has access to medical care, is over the age of 18 so she can do it without the need for parental consent, and can find a pharmacist willing to supply it...

I don't believe now, nor have I ever, that abortion is a practical solution to the majority of most pregancies. However, I think it needs to remain an option, because there are cases where it is the only one.

OK lets think of this situation:

Take away the rape victims.

Take away the women where it would be a medical necessity.

Now do you think late term abortion should be available as an option to the rest?

-Rudey

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Rudey
OK lets think of this situation:

Take away the rape victims.

Take away the women where it would be a medical necessity.

Now do you think late term abortion should be available as an option to the rest?

-Rudey

Of course not, I've never said I did. I don't believe abortion should ever be your primary method of contraception. I think it's only necessary in those extreme cases.

[PhiPsiRuss]

I think that all types of abortion should be legal up until the 75th trimester, because if you bring 'em into the world, you should be able to take 'em out. Especially for kids who won't be quiet in movie theaters. They really need to be aborted.

[sugar and spice]

Before anything else, I would like to point out that only 1 percent of abortions are performed at or after the 21st week, and although there are no statistics on this, I would take a guess that most of them are performed for health reasons. Doctors are bound by codes of ethics that require them not to perform abortions after the 21st week except for health reasons. Surely there are a few doctors out there who break the rules, either for good reasons (the link I quoted before mentioned a few have done it for severely depressed women who would probably not be able to deal with the stress of having a baby or going through the adoption process, which I support) or not so good ones. So if people want to pass a law against that, with health-related exceptions, I'm all for it . . . since doctors aren't supposed to be doing it anyway.

Most people don't support late-term abortions for reasons other than the mother's health . . . the issue comes about when the laws that are passed against it are so ambiguously worded that they can deny access to abortions even if the mother's health IS in jeopardy . . . or they can deny access to any abortion after the second trimester -- or even after the first. That's where the major controversy comes from.

Random sidenote: Stillborn babies sometimes have to be "aborted" because delivering a stillborn baby can cause health complications to the mother. I'm not sure why we should insist that a stillborn baby be c-sectioned out when the mother would prefer a D&X, but whatever . . .

Originally posted by DZHBrown
Also regarding rape - if the victim seeks treatment immediately, she can take the emergency contraception.

As Kath mentioned, there are a number of reasons why this isn't necessarily the case. And as anybody who has dealt with rape victims knows, it isn't that simple -- most of them are in shock and unable to process the rape in the time period that they would be required to take the emergency contraception. One of my best friends in high school got raped and when I suggested that she go to Planned Parenthood to get the morning-after pill and get checked out, she flat-out refused and wouldn't speak to me until I dropped the subject.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Of course not, I've never said I did. I don't believe abortion should ever be your primary method of contraception. I think it's only necessary in those extreme cases.

So you are saying that aside from rape victims and health issues, late term abortions should be illegal?

-Rudey
--I just want to get this annoying "I can do whatever I want to my body" type of argument out of the way.

[swissmiss04]

Getting EC is more complicated than what most people think. You have to go to the doctor's office or hospital within 72 hours of the assault to be examined, evidence collected, and then obtain a prescription. Then you have to find a pharmacist that will actually fill the scrip for you, which as we've seen in other threads, is a toss-up. All this happens assuming you have medical insurance and drug coverage. Some insurance plans will not cover any type of contraception for any reason. Sure a pack of birth control pills is only $30 or so (I'm not sure about the cost of EC, but I'm assuming it's similar), but for someone in a lower socioeconomic bracket or a college student, $30 is a lot of money.
There are some side effects as well, none of which are pleasant. Nausea, vomiting, etc.
I found a website that has pretty comprehensive info on the subject and a good FAQ area. http://ec.princeton.edu/

[Rudey]

Originally posted by swissmiss04
There are some side effects as well, none of which are pleasant. Nausea, vomiting, etc.

Yeah who wants a little "nausea, vomiting, etc." when you can have a quick and easy abortion.

-Rudey

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Rudey
So you are saying that aside from rape victims and health issues, late term abortions should be illegal?

-Rudey
--I just want to get this annoying "I can do whatever I want to my body" type of argument out of the way.

That's not my argument on this one, Rudith. And yes, that is what I'm saying.

[Love_Spell_6]

So for the Pro-Murder or children/Abortion people:

It's ok for the mother to murder the child while its alive inside them...but not ok once the child is outside of the womb? Why put a limitation on it?..why not just let the mother murder the child whenever it becomes an "inconvenience" or the $$ gets low, or when her career is more important? If we're going to kill the children..lets' just define when its ok..and when its not.

[DZHBrown]

Originally posted by swissmiss04
Getting EC is more complicated than what most people think. You have to go to the doctor's office or hospital within 72 hours of the assault to be examined, evidence collected, and then obtain a prescription. Then you have to find a pharmacist that will actually fill the scrip for you, which as we've seen in other threads, is a toss-up. All this happens assuming you have medical insurance and drug coverage. Some insurance plans will not cover any type of contraception for any reason. Sure a pack of birth control pills is only $30 or so (I'm not sure about the cost of EC, but I'm assuming it's similar), but for someone in a lower socioeconomic bracket or a college student, $30 is a lot of money.
There are some side effects as well, none of which are pleasant. Nausea, vomiting, etc.
I found a website that has pretty comprehensive info on the subject and a good FAQ area. http://ec.princeton.edu/

Depending on your school status, you can also go to your student health center, see a doctor for five minutes (no exam), and pay $10. You can also do this at a crisis pregnancy center.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by DZHBrown
Depending on your school status, you can also go to your student health center, see a doctor for five minutes (no exam), and pay $10. You can also do this at a crisis pregnancy center.

Not so. Couldn't get it at my public school, and certainly can't get it here. I'm not saying I wouldn't go find it, but it's not possible everywhere.

Like I've said before, I don't think a woman should be able to wake up 6 months along and suddenly decide she doesn't want to be pregnant - that decision should be made in the first months. And that's what's currently being done.

[James]

Kind of like exposing unwanted babies? Well, I think being able to put the child up for adoption is about the same thing.

I don't know much about that procedure . . . can anyone put a child up for adoption? And is there like a time limit on it?

And well, it just seems more ok to slay the child in the body. Outside there are other options.

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
So for the Pro-Murder or children/Abortion people:

It's ok for the mother to murder the child while its alive inside them...but not ok once the child is outside of the womb? Why put a limitation on it?..why not just let the mother murder the child whenever it becomes an "inconvenience" or the $$ gets low, or when her career is more important? If we're going to kill the children..lets' just define when its ok..and when its not.