Is frat life good for Man of God?

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
To post in a field where "all" opinions were asked for seems impossible for some. The forum on my website has dealt with this. I remember what challenging was all about. Identifying who you were. A mode of recognition. Well come and see my new challenge. My mission impossible ended up being mission accomplished.

Let Jesus Be Glorified,

Minister Fred Hatchett

Interesting.

We should also be very weary of false prophets. Be careful not to lead your herd of sheep off a cliff, "minister."

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by ChaosDST
Interesting.

We should also be very weary of false prophets. Be careful not to lead your herd of sheep off a cliff, "minister."

It took my gurl Chaos to express my thoughts exactly.

[Mz Destiny]

Originally posted by Wolfman
Be prayerful and discerning, and do what the LORD puts on your heart. We are each made in the image of God, and that image is not a cookie cutter image. use this occasion(and quandry!) as a avenue of positive growth in God. And God leads by positve conviction which strengthens your volitional abilities;while Satan works by fear which distorts your ability to discern "good and evil":fear of not having options which can be a pull to sin, or fear of failure, of venturing into unknown territory. Be blessed!

Amen!!!!!!! I totally agree. I went through it with my best friend who is a Pentacostal Elder. He was raised that no man should serve 2 masters, and that you shouldn't take an oath to anything else not of God. Granted, that is clearly scripture, and I do believe the Bible to be the be all and end all. However, I had to stand on my convictions, and tell him that, even though I know the Word of God for myself, I had to do what I felt I was being led to do. Now, he is one of my biggest supporters, and is excited when I tell him about what I am doing with my Zeta chapter. Believe me, it's taken a while to get to this point. We agreed to disagree, but on the same token, we support each other 110%.

I prayed and WAITED! Notice, I typed WAITED in caps. It has taken me a number of years to get to where I am now. Be sure this is what God wants you to do, and that this is what you are to be doing at this time in your life.

I am heavily involved in music ministry, and I will soon prayerfully, be in training to be licensed to preach (PRAY FOR ME Y'ALL). There have been times where Zeta and Ministry have conflicted heavily. But when I got saved, I declared that I would follow God. When these conflicts arise, I pray. Then I do what thus sayeth The Lord.

[preachdawg]

You can say that again! And you also need to check your reasons for trying to join said org in the first place! If it is for selfish gain I dont care what it is God is not going to be pleased.

[Mz Destiny]

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
This means that you cannot participate in quite a few of the things you promised in your pledge. The national prayer and closing prayer is non-sectarian as with all greeks I have studied. So who is Zeta praying to? Which God is the is the God being referred to in the pledge? For you, I am sure it was Jehovah. But to another soror, it could have been anyone! This means that your sorority(and not yours alone) gives the same honor, respect, and glory to others gods. Now as much as you want to ignore the wrong and heed the right, your covenant with Zeta is "binding", making you a willing and knowledgable affiliate to such things. Would God have you be a part of something that is grievious to you heart as you said?

What about the burial service songs? If you take the songs as written, then unbelieving Zetas go to heaven, and believeing Zetas go there to join them. Could this be true? You know not!

Honestly, you have TWO LAWS written on your heart; two lights in your life; Zeta and Jesus. Psalms 83:18 makes it clear that there is only ONE God and what His name is. You have joined an "organization" that does not submit to this truth.

I will PM this post to you since my posts are erased in quick fashion.

I received your PM. I am not going to debate this. You would have better results debating this whole thing with someone who is not saved.

All I am going to say is, unless you are a member of ZETA PHI BETA SORORITY, INCORPORATED, you have absolutely no right and you are in no position to speak on our prayers, pledges, songs, etc. To me, that is rather disrespectful. I would not even dare to tell you about your org's practices and how "unholy" they are. Why? Because I am a ZETA. I'm not supposed to know about the inner workings of AKA's, Delta's, Sigma Gamma Rho's, Alpha's, Kappa's, Omega's, Iota's or any other sorority or fraternity out there. I'm sure members of other organizations that have posted on this topic would agree with me on that.

If God has told you to denounce whatever org you belonged to, then that's between you and God and I am happy that you were obedient to Him. However, it is not appropriate for you to try and get everyone to do what you did. You have no clue how God is dealing with them. If you truly are concerned, you would pray for them. Pray that God's Will be done in their lives. Not shoot them down because they are saved and are active members of their respective organizations.

To sum this up, being greek and being saved shouldn't even be the major topic. There is something much greater in this world that we need to be concerned with. SALVATION of non-believers. Does it matter if a saved woman who happens to also be a Zeta talks to a person and prays the prayer of salvation with them? Or does it matter if a preacher who happens to be an Omega (love ya preachdawg! ) delivers the message that floods the altar with people who are repenting of their sins?

When it all gets down to it, it's all about GOD and GOD alone.

[msn4med1975]

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
No need to debate facts. About Preachdawg, well we have talked personally. That is all I will say about that. The outcome was between him and me. But here we have again, going to man to justify ourselves. You and others may not be concerned with the inner workings of others groups, but God is concerned when His name is mentioned, but He is not the one being talked about.
About a message of repentance; there are hundreds of people who have denounced their GLO's, not because their preacher or friend said so, but because God's Word made it clear.

Let Jesus Be Glorified!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have tended to ignore your posts because your approach has been less than ideal but I felt compelled to share something with you based solely on this post. You remind me a lot of my father during my teenage years. My father had recently renewed his faith and was determined that my brother and I follow him with an equal zeal. The only problem was you cannot force someone else to meet you where you are and he, like you in my opinion, believed that if we weren't doing what he was doing then we didn't truly believe. That made his mission, like yours, impossible because it was not only inaccurate but insulting. He didn't bother to ask if we prayed on a regular basis, read the Bible to get clarity in our lives or if we lived Christian lives. Beating us about the head (figuratively) with the word of God was not going to get us where he wanted. It made my brother nearly disown religion and it strained my relationship with him for years. It wasn't until he came home and found me studying for Bible study (not with his church) that it dawned on him that he might have been wrong. Talking to the only somewhat older me made him realize where he had gone wrong and allowed him to speak to me as a person on their walk with the Lord. My walk wasn't his and your walk may not be similar to anyone's walk on this board.

I understand your desire to spread the word of God and reach out to others as a good Christian but if you can't understand that not everyone is called in the same way then you should respectfully understand that as well. If you can't then I think it says more about you than it does than those who have told you where they stood and just ask that you respect that. I have been wonderfully blessed and nothing I have achieved could have been accomplished without the grace of God. I'm okay where I am as I'm sure others on this board are as well. It seems as you are okay where you are as well but do not assume things about what God has intended for everyone just because He told you that your path lie elsewhere. And please don't PM me about this because there's nothing you can say that will alter what I have already stated.

[abaici]

First time reading this thread. Interesting, to say the least. Personally, AKA has not altered or negatively changed my walk with the Lord in any way, shape or form. I will openly admit that I had a crisis of faith (manifestation of depression and the events in my life that led to the depression) a couple of years ago, but one of the things that helped bring me back into the fold were my sorors, through the offering of scriptures and prayers. But, if you are letting anything get between you and God, then you have to do whatever you have to do to remove that negative element from your life.


An aside: The GC Men of Omega received a "shout out" of sorts on someone's website. Hmmm.

Icon/Fred.

What is your primary reason for wanting to expose GLO's?

[btb87]

Originally posted by Mz Destiny
If God has told you to denounce whatever org you belonged to, then that's between you and God and I am happy that you were obedient to Him. However, it is not appropriate for you to try and get everyone to do what you did. You have no clue how God is dealing with them. If you truly are concerned, you would pray for them. Pray that God's Will be done in their lives. Not shoot them down because they are saved and are active members of their respective organizations.

To sum this up, being greek and being saved shouldn't even be the major topic. There is something much greater in this world that we need to be concerned with. SALVATION of non-believers. Does it matter if a saved woman who happens to also be a Zeta talks to a person and prays the prayer of salvation with them? Or does it matter if a preacher who happens to be an Omega (love ya preachdawg! ) delivers the message that floods the altar with people who are repenting of their sins?

When it all gets down to it, it's all about GOD and GOD alone.

ooooh, girl, I hear some shoutin' music in the background! Preach, preacher!

Before pledging AKA, I thought I'd have a problem with taking vows toward Alpha Kappa Alpha because of what the Bible says about "being better not to vow at all rather than to vow a vow and break it" (btb paraphrase). But since being in the Sorority, I believe that I've not compromised the word of God. And just because we did take oaths to uphold the whatevers of our various organizations, how often do we do the same in our everyday lives? It may not seem like it's on the same level, but when we were hired on our jobs and we basically signed a 'contract', did we not essentially take a vow that we would do our job to the best of our ability? Can you say honestly that you've done that every single day that you've been at work? I can't - because if I did, I wouldn't be on GC every day!

My pastor said that in his office of a Bishop (COGIC) he had to swear to uphold the beliefs, rules/regs of the Church. We essentially are making oaths when we take the "right hand of fellowship" when we join a church. But I'm sure that all of this is about more than taking oaths, or is it?

Anyway, although I know I need to step up my game between me and my Daddy, He hasn't told me to denounce Alpha Kappa Alpha, nor do I feel "led" to do so.

[Love_Spell_6]

Iconoclastic,

First let me say that when I see a brother that has a zeal for repping the almighty one..I am impressed. Second, when you are that way, expect to be rejected and/or criticized.

I know you know this by now, but people are going to do what they want...and make the Bible fit their own agendas. The dilemma of serving God (i mean really serving him) and being in a fraternity/sorority is a valid one..but brother u gots to know you aint gonna get no love on this topic in this forum. Just like if u have a friend that is fornicating or shacking up...you know they're living in sin..but its a way to get your point across without isolating them. You've done your part by putting it out there, and for those that reject your advice..they will ultimately have to answer to the almighty one..if there is indeed anything to answer for. Sometimes people interpret the Bible based on what they want in their own lives...and if they're a die hard member of a BGLO..best believe they will start coming up with all types of new twists and spins on the scriptures to fit what they want to do...just as people that blatantly sin..and claim they love the Lord.

Bottom Line..you've made your point very clear...but now I think you're pissing people off LOL.. But at least no one that has read this forum will ever be able to say they didnt know. This thread has indeed been enlightening.

And PM away if u want...I aint skurred

[preachdawg]

Seeing that we all claim to be educated my request for all who respond to Iconoclast is give a biblical answer for your stance. Don't give a bunch of christian jargon, or philosophical answer. If you are nto a christian then those answer are understandable, but if you have been saved by the blood of Jesus the Christ then give some Bible for your answers. 1 Peter 3:15 challenges us to seperate [sanctify] God in our hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone for the reason [hope] that is in you. Don't attack the messenger with open ended words and shallow statements which ahve no biblical substance but instead give sound answers from scholarly research and study. 2 Tim 2:15. Please evryone who answered don't take this as a personal attack, just look at it as a challenge to refute what has been written with real bible answers. Some of you have answered with statemnets of whimsical mysticism, and not solid truth, of which can not be refuted. And I have to ultimetly agree with the young lady, and that is all who claim to be christians we have a biblical charge that goes beyond any org we apart of and that is to go and preach the gospel! Gospel simply means the good news about Jesus. if you are a christian do people say you are a XYZ who happens to be a christian, or do they say you are a christian who happens to be XYZ. Could you let go of anything to have Jesus, would you let go of anything to have Jesus? can you truly say that you have been a God chaser with the same passion, enthusiam, moxy, perserverance, and even dogmatic tenacity, that you pursued XYZ. Just a challenge! This ahs been That Preacha, and in the words of my Pastor just wanted to put somehting on the clothesline of your mind, now let the Holy Spirit blow on it!

No Fred, I'm not going anywhere else to read.

You post here. Explain here.

Aren't you preaching to people who have already crossed by coming in here? This isn't consistent with your answer.

Let me rephrase.

What is your purpose in coming to a Greek oriented website?

[Mz Destiny]

Originally posted by btb87
ooooh, girl, I hear some shoutin' music in the background! Preach, preacher!

LOL!!! Hey girl! Still enjoying Bishop Brown's CD?

[btb87]

Originally posted by Mz Destiny
LOL!!! Hey girl! Still enjoying Bishop Brown's CD?

Bishop Brown is still "da man!" When I wanna 'go to church', he's who takes me there!

[jaydot31]

I am a christian/religious man and very proud member of two fraternities-the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc. and Kappa Kappa Psi Honorary Band Fraternity, Inc. I can honestly say that being a member of Omega can be hard at times but there are few thing that are easy in life. I have and always will continue to rock my letters that I have earned regardless of good or bad bruhs. It all comes down to (for me) who you are as a man and as a child of GOD. If you are confident in who you are as a person and you know that god is most important in your life, you don't have to worry about the bruhs or anyone else. "KINGS KIDS" don't have to worry. My fratenity is one that has an appreciation and the highest respect for the word of GOD. You definitely won't regret joining as a man of GOD.