Saddam Captured!!!!! - Page 5

PhiPsiRuss · #61 12-14-2003, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by CC1GC
Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the U.S. facilitate Saddam's rise to power in the first place?

That is wrong. The Baathists were alligned with the Soviet Union when Saddam took power.

DeltAlum · #62 12-14-2003, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by rainbowbrightCS
I would like to add that the new Iraqi gov. does not have a death penality. (But there could be an amendment to the constitution) Saddam will be tried by the Iraqi gov. They said it all day on the news.

Actually, as I understand it, Iraq doesn't even have a Constitution yet -- let alone a death penalty.

Where he will be tried, by whom and for what is sheer speculation at this point in time.

I really wish that for this one time at least, we could leave politics out of the discussion and be happy that he has finally been found and will, hopefully, be brought to justice -- not matter what the vehicle for that may be.

bethany1982 · #63 12-15-2003, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Actually, as I understand it, Iraq doesn't even have a Constitution yet -- let alone a death penalty.

Where he will be tried, by whom and for what is sheer speculation at this point in time.

I really wish that for this one time at least, we could leave politics out of the discussion and be happy that he has finally been found and will, hopefully, be brought to justice -- not matter what the vehicle for that may be.

You are right, Iraq does not have a constitution yet. Putting aside politics... lol! RIGHT! It seems that some would rather have Saddam in power than Bush, and they'll take every opportunity to take shot at him. I find it funny that some say that Bush should not use this or any of the victories in Iraq for that matter as a part of his campaign, yet they seem to find it perfectly acceptable to point out those areas of the Iraq issue with which they disagree, happily making them an topic in the campaign.

Lil' Hannah · #64 12-15-2003, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by CC1GC
Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the U.S. facilitate Saddam's rise to power in the first place?

Perhaps you're thinking of the CIA training members of the Taliban.

PhiPsiRuss · #65 12-15-2003, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by Lil' Hannah
Perhaps you're thinking of the CIA training members of the Taliban.

That's inaccurate. The Taliban did not exist when the CIA was training the Afgahni resistance to the Soviet invasion. After the Soviet Union retreated, the Afghani resistance fractured into many groups, including the Taliban and the Northern Alliance (which opposed the Taliban.)

Also, getting involved in Afghanistan was crucial in the 1980s. If the Soviet Union managed to conquer Afghanistan, then they were going after Pakistan. Why Pakistan? Look at a map. The Soviet Union would have access to the Indian Ocean, giving the Soviet Navy year round access to the world's oceans. Also, they would have geopolitically divided the world, and possibly would have won the Cold War. This is not a world that any of us would want to live in.

If this is what you mean by "the CIA training members of the Taliban", then thank God that they did.

DeltAlum · #66 12-15-2003, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by bethany1982
It seems that some would rather have Saddam in power than Bush, and they'll take every opportunity to take shot at him.

Give me a break.

Where did anyone say or imply that they support Saddam?

I only hope that someday I'm as sure of myself and politics as a lot of you seem to be.

I don't mean this to aimed specifically at you, Bethany, but your comment above touched a nerve. I have equal frustration with those of you who are so abosutely sure of the opposite viewpoint.

I guess I just keep getting dumber with years and experience, because none of this stuff (speaking of the political side) seems nearly as black and white as it used to be.

On the other hand, maybe experience is a good teacher and some of you will one day notice that there are some shades of gray. Particularly in politics.

In any event, this thread is supposed to be about Saddam being captured.

Rudey · #67 12-15-2003, 01:18 AM

I love you pops.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Give me a break.

Where did anyone say or imply that they support Saddam?

I only hope that someday I'm as sure of myself and politics as a lot of you seem to be.

I don't mean this to aimed spedifically at you, Bethany, but your comment above touched a nerve. I have equal frustration with those of you who are so abosutely sure of the opposite viewpoint.

I guess I just keep getting dumber with years and experience, because none of this stuff (speaking of the political side) seems nearly as black and white as it used to be.

On the other hand, maybe experience is a good teacher and some of you will one day notice that there are some shades of gray. Particularly in politics.

In any event, this thread is supposed to be about Saddam being captured.

enlightenment06 · #68 12-15-2003, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Actually I believe that enlightenment06 was refering to either the BBC world poll, or the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp.) poll, or the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp.), or the Rueters poll, or the CNN Iternatational opinion polls.

They all stated that a majority of people polled, including ones from coalition countires, viewed Bush as a threat to world security and peace. They ranked the threat posed by the Bush admin. as the most likely to lead to further conflict.

Admittedly it wasn't a scientific poll, but a public opinion poll, conducted by interviewing people on the street. I have no idea who they asked, or the exact phrasing of the question.

That's a good point. But actually I was thinking about how Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 which means more people who voted actually wanted somebody not him. Also Bush set the record for having the most people protest against him worldwide in one day. Now that's an accomplishment!

bethany1982 · #69 12-15-2003, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Give me a break.

Where did anyone say or imply that they support Saddam?

I'll give you a break... just watch some of the various news shows. The libs paint Bush as the antichrist. They whine that the U.S. has not found any WMD's, ignoring the fact that WMD's were only one reason the president gave for going into Iraq. They pay little attention to the fact that Saddam was himself a murderer. Take your break. Liberals hate Bush. Personally, I think it's funny and I expect it. Few minds will change. They hate him and shall continue to hate him. Saddam is a black and white issue, and his being gone is reason enough for our work in Iraq.

astroAPhi · #70 12-15-2003, 04:05 AM

I'm one of those people who don't know where I stand on the death penalty. As a Christian, I'm against it, but as a human being, sometimes I think the serial killers and rapists deserve to fry.

However, I think that no matter which way you view it, I think he is just too dangerous of a man to let live. If he is put to death, yeah, his supporters will get pissed off for a bit, but they'll eventually settle down. If he's put in some sort of prison to rot in the rest of his life, it will be a rallying point for supporters. If he ever managed to escape, I think he'd be even more dangerous because he'd have even more of a grudge against the U.S. (and anyone else who has been involved with the war), and he'd be able to rally even more people to his cause because of his seeming invincibility.

sweetie adpi · #71 12-15-2003, 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by astroAPhi
However, I think that no matter which way you view it, I think he is just too dangerous of a man to let live. If he is put to death, yeah, his supporters will get pissed off for a bit, but they'll eventually settle down. If he's put in some sort of prison to rot in the rest of his life, it will be a rallying point for supporters. If he ever managed to escape, I think he'd be even more dangerous because he'd have even more of a grudge against the U.S. (and anyone else who has been involved with the war), and he'd be able to rally even more people to his cause because of his seeming invincibility.

i think no matter what happens, saddam and any baathist counterparts, or other 'supporters' of his will spin it into some kind of martyrdom. luckily, as we've seen today, i think the great majority of the world can agree that it is a very good thing, regardless of what follows, that he has been captured. also, i think that seeing what saddam has become over the past eight months and his apparent resignation to his capture will hopefully weaken the image that still made people fear the man. this whole situation should be 'interesting' - to put it one way- to watch unfold. supposedly to be tried by a government that doesn't really exist at the moment but that is being guided by mainly the u.s. ... after all, the u.s. has been planning to try saddam and gathering evidence for it for the past year and a half, so there must be a specific plan there. as for him escaping? my money is on the likelihood of an assassination over an escape, the way things work these days.

texas*princess · #72 12-15-2003, 11:11 AM

where is he going to get a trial?! with all the crap he's pulled since.... well a LONG time, I would find it hard to believe he would remain alive...it's too risky.

And completely random, but I really think he looks like Stefano from 'Days of Our Lives'

Love_Spell_6 · #73 12-15-2003, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by starang21
what the hell are you talking about? republicans should turn their attention to #2 as well since he supposedly the mastermind behind 9/11. and who the hell ever said anything about wanting the US to lose the war on terrorism? where on earth are you getting that from?

If u don't know...I'm not the one to tell ya...

This administration could find Bush, Saddam, have everyone in the US employed, and find Waldo....and folx would still have something to complain about and hate Bush for... I just think its funny. Instead of saying this is a great accomplishment...some people have to immediately go to "Yea well...what about this...and what about that..."

PS - If your tone continues in the same manner i.e. "What the hell..." your response will go unanswered.

OrigamiTulip · #74 12-15-2003, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by texas*princess
And completely random, but I really think he looks like Stefano from 'Days of Our Lives'

No, he looks exactly like my dad. I did a double take when I first saw the footage.

moe.ron · #75 12-15-2003, 11:20 AM

It seems the Iranian has enter the fray. They are preparing a criminal complaint to the international court. This is going to get interesting.

I believed over 400,000 Iranians died during the conflict. Although I think the IRaq should be the one trying him, the Iranian should be allowed to send their own prosecutor into Iraq to also try him.